pH Preservation Project Initial Questions Discussed.

SCJedi

In Bloom
There are multiple ways to do something like this and I have done a couple.

Primarily, when do an OP I leave the males mobile (in pots) and move them around the garden. I tap branches with a bamboo garden stake and move them again in a day or two. I feel that this begins to create a level playing field for who's pollen makes it to waiting females. However, I have also pulled all males out, collected their pollen, mixed it all together, and then spread all pollen evenly across the ladies.

A real OP is just open and fly. The challenge is that no matter what you do there is human interference. What if you unintentionally put that early flowering male right in front of the fan and the champion QB is stuck over in the far corner? Vice-versa?
 

J. James

In Bloom
Personally I would approach this similar. I would let as much pollinate as possible to increase the genetic diversity initially.

Would love to see some feedback from our breeders also on these topics 🔥 @Schwaggy P @HydroRed @Phylex @SCJedi @J. James 🔥 and many others I know dabble but did not mention.
Open pollinating from seed is the only way to achieve maximum genetic diversity but this will be very limited do to the limited number of sourced plants.

When a landrace strain is removed from its indigenous environment (say, Pakistan) and forced to grow elsewhere (say, indoors), it has to mature in different growing conditions. In response to those new growing conditions, the plant will exhibit new characteristics (e.g., smaller flowers, longer grow time, higher THC).

During that transition from indigenous environment to new growing conditions, some of the characteristics of the original plant will be lost. To get those characteristics back, you’d have to return the plant to its native environment.

Even then, the “purity” would be in question because you’ve grown a plant in a different location (Controlled indoor setting) — producing slightly different characteristics — and then tried to return the seed to the place where its grandparent plant came from (Pakistan).

A selection processes has happened along the way as well, From the selection of the origin seed to selectively breeding for desirable traits.
 

SCJedi

In Bloom
Open pollinating from seed is the only way to achieve maximum genetic diversity but this will be very limited do to the limited number of sourced plants.

When a landrace strain is removed from its indigenous environment (say, Pakistan) and forced to grow elsewhere (say, indoors), it has to mature in different growing conditions. In response to those new growing conditions, the plant will exhibit new characteristics (e.g., smaller flowers, longer grow time, higher THC).

During that transition from indigenous environment to new growing conditions, some of the characteristics of the original plant will be lost. To get those characteristics back, you’d have to return the plant to its native environment.

Even then, the “purity” would be in question because you’ve grown a plant in a different location (Controlled indoor setting) — producing slightly different characteristics — and then tried to return the seed to the place where its grandparent plant came from (Pakistan).

A selection processes has happened along the way as well, From the selection of the origin seed to selectively breeding for desirable traits.

This is totally different conversation regarding landrace cannabis. In my opinion, nothing is really a pure landrace if humans are involved. What most people refer to as landrace genetics are still manipulated to some extent by local farmers in rural foreign countries.
 

Skunky Dunk Farms

Cannabinoid Receptor
This is totally different conversation regarding landrace cannabis. In my opinion, nothing is really a pure landrace if humans are involved. What most people refer to as landrace genetics are still manipulated to some extent by local farmers in rural foreign countries.

Very true, im gonna farm my little niche in here.
Ill try to keep it clean and healthy for them.
 

Buck5050

In Bloom
I'm not sure if this question is directed toward the preservation project
The original question was intended to open up the conversation for the project only as my personal beliefs were there as an example numerically. Sorry for the confusion.

My intent was to provide some scope to these first preservation run, kinda pound out the malleable details while we wait for results. With a tent full of boys and girls I'm sure seed amounts would be high and I am guessing is negligible in the end though it would be nice not to have to do re-run for the sake of moving the project forward.

Through some details I can see we all are on the same page with running all males and females together.
 

SSGrower

👨‍🔬
I made a hard decision on this topic and went a different way. Similarly numbers are limited and the project was moved forward after I recieved my genitics. I have the BX1, I acquired BX2 selected pollen ;) partly because of this (perhaps erroneously) I culled my other 4 males. I was leaning very heavy towards using only 2 of the boys, the most juxt opposed. Instead what I was given involves another individuals selection process in a different geographic location (hard to replicate 8k elevation at sea level and vice verrsa). What better way to ensure diversity with offspring quality being the no. 1 factor?

Now, the human influence is firmly established to ensure something that would be unimaginably unlikely to happen in nature. I am realizing preservation may not be the right term, perhaps conservation? Perservation would require heirloom status no? IMO landrace can't be heirloom so there has always been variation. I don't know how to say it but just because an environment supresses a trait does not mean it eliminates it genetically, wouldnt there have to be an evolutionary preference for the trait? I recall reading about white corn and how it was developed by a small group of midwest farmers.

It seems we have been handed the keys to the toolshed...
Hope that makes sense??
 
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