Seeds V. Clones

[TerpyTyrone]

Easy enough,
Who here believes that seeds get bigger than clones when both are about the same size when placed outside. Or even inside. Ive had big clones , but also even bigger plants from seed.
What do,you think?

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

Easy enough,
Who here believes that seeds get bigger than clones when both are about the same size when placed outside. Or even inside. Ive had big clones , but also even bigger plants from seed.
What do,you think?

Really interesting question... I have no answer but I'm very interested in peoples answers because I've been reading a lot about "genetic drift" and "tired genetics" when it comes to cloning.... I wouldn't disregard the idea that a plant, fresh from seed would have more vigor in a natural environment

 

[GthaEnigma]

Seeds crush clones in general. It can be significant. That tap root is a major water/nute uptake advantage.

 

[OldG]

Outdoors...geeze that punch i grew hit 11 feet and that was a cut from one i ran for 6 months..

Where clones would crush a seed is....i know what the clone is. Lets say i get a fat juicy cola producer of a citrus milf....i take cuts at 8 weeks so those cuts are 6 weeks ahead of any seed (4 maybe?)....

I have vegged out a cut until its so big i had to bloom it and those clones are mental.

I provide more questions than answers....things that make me go....hmmmmm....where did i put that doob.

 

[Capt. C]

IMO i have found that seed plants can be more stretchy than the clones taken from them. Must be from what @GthaEnigma is describing.

 

[GthaEnigma]

If you put a 2 ft clone and a 2ft seed start of the same strain next to each other, the seed plant will usully outperform the clone by close to 20-25 %. Tap root for the win

 

[Sammy Snakeskins]

So for my current grow, there's one question I need answered. What would yield more flower for me in a 2'× 3' tent? Seeds or clones? If I over crowd my tent with 4 seeded plants, I get 4 oz. when they're done. If I do the same thing with like 6 or 8 clones starting at 12/12... who knows what will happen???

 

[Capt. C]

If you put a 2 ft clone and a 2ft seed start of the same strain next to each other, the seed plant will usully outperform the clone by close to 20-25 %. Tap root for the win

@GthaEnigma are there not some other factors involved between the two like disease protection and other related things. Seems like i have read somewhere about the the protection a seed plant has vs. a clone.

 

[OldG]

Seeds are better than clones....for resliiance...geeze they were produced to SUC SEEED !!!

Every clone i ran was smaller than the mom from seed...but it nailed what i was looking for so it won.

For outright performance and awesomeness i choose seeds...my cloner is now in a tote at the back of a shed !!!

 

[Capt. C]

So for my current grow, there's one question I need answered. What would yield more flower for me in a 2'× 3' tent? Seeds or clones? If I over crowd my tent with 4 seeded plants, I get 4 oz. when they're done. If I do the same thing with like 6 or 8 clones starting at 12/12... who knows what will happen???

IMO this question is more about plant management than clone vs. seed plant.

 

[Sammy Snakeskins]

IMO this question is more about plant management than clone vs. seed plant.

Yeah got me there.

 

[OldG]

Actually....clones work best under certain condition's...plant and environment and your time management.

But 1 plant vs 1 plant...seeds win in my often less than humble opinion.

 

[GthaEnigma]

Clones are about uniformity and consistèncy. Big crops finish the same time, like the same nutes etc. You can grow more of the same flower. But on a plant to plant basis, seed plants outperform clones. It is all about uptake. A tent full of the same clones would prolly yeild best for a production run tho.

 

[OldG]

I am convinced...and i am clone challenged...unleash the seeds !!!!

 

[Capt. C]

I do not grow outdoors unfortunately but if i did i would consider running seed crops . If nothing else the additional protection from diseases would be enough to sway me. I like working with clones indoors as they are a bit easier to manage vs. seed plant. With a clone plant i got a pretty good idea what i got and with a seed plant you never know for sure.

 

[Amarok]

That tap root is a major water/nute uptake advantage.

I read that the taproot's main job is to provide stability, and that in all root systems it is the wee little filaments that do the actual uptake. Not arguing, just looking to learn.

I've been reading a lot about "genetic drift" and "tired genetics" when it comes to cloning

Again, I'm no expert, but thought that the concept of "tired genetics" had been debunked. I'd like to educate myself, if you can share what you are reading.

 

[GthaEnigma]

Think of the taproot as a processing terminal. It is the nexus of the root system on non clones, all uptake is routed through it to the plant. Clones roots are a pc...seed plant taproot is a supercomputer.

 

[Frimpong]

Easy enough,
Who here believes that seeds get bigger than clones when both are about the same size when placed outside. Or even inside. Ive had big clones , but also even bigger plants from seed.
What do,you think?

Absolutely , and it's based on the root system . That's my theory anyways . Tap root vs skeletal roots . Seeds send that mofo straight down . The potential is staggering

 

[GthaEnigma]

Eveŕy plant in my garden is a seed start...

 

[Frimpong]

Eveŕy plant in my garden is a seed start...

Really !?