Auto breeders

Breeding with autoflowers takes a huge amount of time and energy. We started our project last spring. We started from scratch with an excellent mold resistant auto strain that came from the rainforest of Puerto Rico. We worked that into about 20 different strains and we've been running them individually generation after generation to pull out the best traits yet build up the autoflower trait to the point of 100%. One thing we have learned is that some strains take and accept the autoflower trait much better than others. Some only take four generations to reach the point of being full autoflower and others take as many as eight. This is definitely the long path for creating new auto strains as it is much easier to simply breed with other breeders auto strains by combining them together to make something new but we have discovered that by taking this rout e we can stabilize the genetics much better and greatly minimize phenotypic variation. We hope to start the feminized releases this winter and will be looking for different cultivators to give them a shot and provide us with feedback. Watch for our extensive "gas" line as well as our 50/50 CBD/thc line coming soon.
So I've been learning these last few years. I'm having a lot of fun with them though. I've got to check out some your gear, your autos are available correct? Apologize for my ignorance.
 
Breeding with autoflowers takes a huge amount of time and energy. We started our project last spring. We started from scratch with an excellent mold resistant auto strain that came from the rainforest of Puerto Rico. We worked that into about 20 different strains and we've been running them individually generation after generation to pull out the best traits yet build up the autoflower trait to the point of 100%. One thing we have learned is that some strains take and accept the autoflower trait much better than others. Some only take four generations to reach the point of being full autoflower and others take as many as eight. This is definitely the long path for creating new auto strains as it is much easier to simply breed with other breeders auto strains by combining them together to make something new but we have discovered that by taking this rout e we can stabilize the genetics much better and greatly minimize phenotypic variation. We hope to start the feminized releases this winter and will be looking for different cultivators to give them a shot and provide us with feedback. Watch for our extensive "gas" line as well as our 50/50 CBD/thc line coming soon.
Your Breeders Creed that you wrote is the most right on thing I've read in a while bro. Much love from VA man. You have no idea how genuinely happy it makes me to know that those feelings still exist and so much so that there's been a creed like that written. Sometimes, especially this last year it seems, I honestly get bummed about the state of things on this planet. It's way easier to lose hope and it is to fight for what's right, and I guess I am as guilty as any one for being a lazy bastard. Hahaha. Seriously, well written, well thought and if nothing else it got me thinking about stuff pretty hard, so thank you for that as well. Take care man, be safe.
 

CovikLaflaire

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Gentlemancorpse

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Thank you a lot..I hope I will get chance to try your genetics..I'm not s good grower but still I wanna see what can I get and compare to others..

Just to be clear I'm not affiliated with 20Twenty at all... I just have a bad habit of answering questions posed to other people haha

Your grow is coming along too man, ive been following. Your gonna get where you want to be for sure.
 

Ggrow

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Breeding with autoflowers takes a huge amount of time and energy. We started our project last spring. We started from scratch with an excellent mold resistant auto strain that came from the rainforest of Puerto Rico. We worked that into about 20 different strains and we've been running them individually generation after generation to pull out the best traits yet build up the autoflower trait to the point of 100%. One thing we have learned is that some strains take and accept the autoflower trait much better than others. Some only take four generations to reach the point of being full autoflower and others take as many as eight. This is definitely the long path for creating new auto strains as it is much easier to simply breed with other breeders auto strains by combining them together to make something new but we have discovered that by taking this rout e we can stabilize the genetics much better and greatly minimize phenotypic variation. We hope to start the feminized releases this winter and will be looking for different cultivators to give them a shot and provide us with feedback. Watch for our extensive "gas" line as well as our 50/50 CBD/thc line coming soon.
If ya looking for testers, count me in buddy!
 

Twenty20 Adam

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@Twenty20 Adam what company do you represent?
Hi, my company is Twenty20 Mendocino. We mostly specialize in outdoor worthy genetics that have been tried and tested here in the Emerald Triangle. We started experimenting with Autos a few years ago. I will admit, it took us a while to fully jump on board but that is mostly because of the extreme phenotypic variation we noticed as well as dealing with "hairtrigger" autos that start budding way to early. We are working on outdoor worthy strains that get big but still finish in June/July. Were mostly working on a "gas" line but also a few sativas and 1:1 cbd/thc.
 

Twenty20 Adam

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Your Breeders Creed that you wrote is the most right on thing I've read in a while bro. Much love from VA man. You have no idea how genuinely happy it makes me to know that those feelings still exist and so much so that there's been a creed like that written. Sometimes, especially this last year it seems, I honestly get bummed about the state of things on this planet. It's way easier to lose hope and it is to fight for what's right, and I guess I am as guilty as any one for being a lazy bastard. Hahaha. Seriously, well written, well thought and if nothing else it got me thinking about stuff pretty hard, so thank you for that as well. Take care man, be safe.
Thank you for the kind words. It's great to finally get on these forums and join in with this great community and soak up the wealth of knowledge available here!
 

Twenty20 Adam

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Sounds like you guys are really doing this the proper way in my opinion... Since you guys have been working with autos, what would you say the biggest advantage would be introducing Ruderalis into the genepool?
That in an excellent question. My honest opinion is that autos don't really outperform photos in indoor cultivation. I have done an interesting experiment where we started photo seeds and kept them at 12/12 their entire cycle. They ended up looking just like autos. Short, squat, full of buds. Similar to growing SOG when you put a rooted clone directly in the flower room. I like the control of photos. I like to decide when and where they start flowering. For outdoor cultivation, autos can have a huge advantage. Planted in springtime you can get finished product in June. They are great for concealment and simplicity. Full term outdoor plants can get huge and unruly. (trellising, late season mold, very conspicuous, etc). Despite what some people say, autos don't grow faster, they are not more vigorous, hardy, mold resistant, etc. Those factors are strain specific not auto/photo specific. Many people claim yield is more on autos. I disagree. The yield of an individual plant grown in a room with plenty space around it and light penetration may be excellent but what counts with indoor yield is grams/sf or more importantly in some places grams/kwh. I don't believe I have ever seen a professional cultivation facility succesfully growing autoflowers. I know a few that have tried and they regretted it. With no control over the onset of budding, the harvest windows can stretch for 3 weeks or more on a single strain.
Disclaimer: I state all of this as an opinion based on my observations as a breeder and a cultivator. Other people have their own opinions that my differ from mine and I respect that.
Peace
 

Frimpong

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That in an excellent question. My honest opinion is that autos don't really outperform photos in indoor cultivation. I have done an interesting experiment where we started photo seeds and kept them at 12/12 their entire cycle. They ended up looking just like autos. Short, squat, full of buds. Similar to growing SOG when you put a rooted clone directly in the flower room. I like the control of photos. I like to decide when and where they start flowering. For outdoor cultivation, autos can have a huge advantage. Planted in springtime you can get finished product in June. They are great for concealment and simplicity. Full term outdoor plants can get huge and unruly. (trellising, late season mold, very conspicuous, etc). Despite what some people say, autos don't grow faster, they are not more vigorous, hardy, mold resistant, etc. Those factors are strain specific not auto/photo specific. Many people claim yield is more on autos. I disagree. The yield of an individual plant grown in a room with plenty space around it and light penetration may be excellent but what counts with indoor yield is grams/sf or more importantly in some places grams/kwh. I don't believe I have ever seen a professional cultivation facility succesfully growing autoflowers. I know a few that have tried and they regretted it. With no control over the onset of budding, the harvest windows can stretch for 3 weeks or more on a single strain.
Disclaimer: I state all of this as an opinion based on my observations as a breeder and a cultivator. Other people have their own opinions that my differ from mine and I respect that.
Peace
The yeild of auto vs photos is incomparable. Two dif animals. Too many variables. Jmho
 

CovikLaflaire

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Just to be clear I'm not affiliated with 20Twenty at all... I just have a bad habit of answering questions posed to other people haha

Your grow is coming along too man, ive been following. Your gonna get where you want to be for sure.

Smoking weed and reading plus answering on forum, not the best Idea.It has tendency to mix up things.. ???

@Twenty20 Adam I like what I hear from you, since start my opinion was that it takes waaay more skills to breed auto than pp plant, so I was always ,(until now) trying to avoid companies that do both,and stick it with auto only breeders.. yes I did few dinafem auto grow's,but mostly I stick to mephisto.. And i have much more respect for auto breeder (that dont mean that ai don't respect pp breeders,I do ) then others,just because I think it's harder to get quality product, or hell even just stable product.

This topic has lots of interesting post that I had some opinions to write,but it would be to much posts from me..
I do mostly 90% auto grows..

I must say that some Autos grown by really good growers produce ,,3+ oz per plant,and for some tent small grower / supplier's they are way to go.. Coz they can pull out nice harvest every 70 days..
 
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Smoking weed and reading plus answering on forum, not the best Idea.It has tendency to mix up things.. ???

@Twenty20 Adam I like what I hear from you, since start my opinion was that it takes waaay more skills to breed auto than pp plant, so I was always ,(until now) trying to avoid companies that do both,and stick it with auto only breeders.. yes I did few dinafem auto grow's,but mostly I stick to mephisto.. And i have much more respect for auto breeder (that dont mean that ai don't respect pp breeders,I do ) then others,just because I think it's harder to get quality product, or hell even just stable product.

This topic has lots of interesting post that I had some opinions to write,but it would be to much posts from me..
I do mostly 90% auto grows..

I must say that some Autos grown by really good growers produce ,,3+ oz per plant,and for some tent small grower / supplier's they are way to go.. Coz they can pull out nice harvest every 70 days..
20200824_133922.jpg a mephisto, star wars, run that's wrapping up. Getting 2 Oz a plant here at least. I've always judged my auto run by 2 Oz per plant as a decent run. If I get less than that something went wrong. 3+ something went right. I'm always running auots and then really snuggle up with my photos. Like kids, I love them both equally, but I have a favorite.
 

Frimpong

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View attachment 22922 a mephisto, star wars, run that's wrapping up. Getting 2 Oz a plant here at least. I've always judged my auto run by 2 Oz per plant as a decent run. If I get less than that something went wrong. 3+ something went right. I'm always running auots and then really snuggle up with my photos. Like kids, I love them both equally, but I have a favorite.
Same here , what's ur light schedule?
 

Gentlemancorpse

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View attachment 22922 a mephisto, star wars, run that's wrapping up. Getting 2 Oz a plant here at least. I've always judged my auto run by 2 Oz per plant as a decent run. If I get less than that something went wrong. 3+ something went right. I'm always running auots and then really snuggle up with my photos. Like kids, I love them both equally, but I have a favorite.

I just dropped a Mephisto Skywalker... I'm assuming that made your Star Wars grow? What size pots are you using there?
 

Ggrow

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I just dropped a Mephisto Skywalker... I'm assuming that made your Star Wars grow? What size pots are you using there?
Nice to see you finally getting some Mephisto beans. I've been talking to RocBudInc and am in the process of making a purchase. Will keep you guys updated, as word going around seems to be they are better than Mephisto.

Anyone know anything about Mephisto outsourcing their breeding process? I just have bits and pieces.
 

Gentlemancorpse

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Nice to see you finally getting some Mephisto beans. I've been talking to RocBudInc and am in the process of making a purchase. Will keep you guys updated, as word going around seems to be they are better than Mephisto.

Anyone know anything about Mephisto outsourcing their breeding process? I just have bits and pieces.

Oh I've had Mephisto for a while... I've run a few of their strains now...

I emailed RocBud after his last drop sold out so quickly and never got a response so I gave up on him... if my last bitcoin purchase had gone smoothly I would have considered ordering a pack through Neptune but we'll, it didn't...

Honestly I'm questioning the RBI hype anyways... I haven't seen anything from his gear but theres always people like us trying to get it... starting to seem like the hype comes from the scarcity as much as the actual product

The hassle getting good autos these days just isn't worth it to me...

I'll wait for the 20twenty releases for my next auto purchase unless RBI makes it easier to get his stuff
 

Gentlemancorpse

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Nice to see you finally getting some Mephisto beans. I've been talking to RocBudInc and am in the process of making a purchase. Will keep you guys updated, as word going around seems to be they are better than Mephisto.

Anyone know anything about Mephisto outsourcing their breeding process? I just have bits and pieces.

And no, hadn't heard that about Mephisto... but honestly they should outsource, this whole always being out of product thing is ridiculous
 
I just dropped a Mephisto Skywalker... I'm assuming that made your Star Wars grow? What size pots are you using there?
Yeah, running ewoks, skywalker. Normally I run autos in 3 gal, but I went with 2 this time trying to cram them in there. Was definitely a learning curve I was not expecting sizing down like that. I'm going back to 3 after this run for them though. I like that size much better for my autos.
 
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