Interesting read on landrace stuff

[Gweedo's Growroom]

Landraces: 10 False Claims from Page 1 of Google

A Brief Tour of Internet Bullshit About Cannabis Landraces was the working title for this post. You get the idea. So, let’s start from the top of Google Page 1. 1. “Most landrace geneti…

landrace.blog

Interesting read for sure

 

[Psychobilly]

I'm reading this right now for the first time and I'm gonna share a link:

IndianLandraceExchange

www.indianlandraceexchange.com

^ That's a genetic library of Land Race Strains from different areas of the World.

They also have this WONDERFUL parent of Skywalker:

MAZARI – IndianLandraceExchange

www.indianlandraceexchange.com

 

[Psychobilly]

OK so I'm still reading through this article, and it's raising some questions in my head about not just the Genetics of a given type, but the environment, as I'm wondering if maybe the conditions of the plant, changes how the plant displays itself?

For example; If I get some true Afghani seeds, and I grow some of them outside, some of them in a Greenhouse, some in a warm tent, and then, grow some in a tent where the temperature stays cooler and very dry, would I then have multiple different variations on that strain? Maybe it's just displaying characteristics that are directly related to environment ?

I've personally seen differences in Motor Breath that had been grown indoor, in a tent, and then the same batch of clones, grown outdoor, which have a MUCH nicer smell and flavor.

Cannabis is a living thing, and it may be responding to conditions; Not unlike a Catfish would do, as a species such as a Piraiba; One of the largest species of Catfish, if it's living in a river that it has to hunt a lot for the food it catches, it's possible it's going to be a lot smaller than one grown in a massive pond where it's given food to eat, and therefore exerts itself less getting food, allowing it to grow into man eating sizes easier. The temperature can change those Catfish as well, as it's pretty well understood that Catfish in the South of the US, "seem" to get larger than those in Northern States where we have Winters, but at the same time, Catfish in Northern States with a Winter Season, also tend to live longer.

Maybe Cannabis plants display these traits as well? Based on Conditions ?

 

[Blizzard]

OK so I'm still reading through this article, and it's raising some questions in my head about not just the Genetics of a given type, but the environment, as I'm wondering if maybe the conditions of the plant, changes how the plant displays itself?

For example; If I get some true Afghani seeds, and I grow some of them outside, some of them in a Greenhouse, some in a warm tent, and then, grow some in a tent where the temperature stays cooler and very dry, would I then have multiple different variations on that strain? Maybe it's just displaying characteristics that are directly related to environment ?

I've personally seen differences in Motor Breath that had been grown indoor, in a tent, and then the same batch of clones, grown outdoor, which have a MUCH nicer smell and flavor.

Cannabis is a living thing, and it may be responding to conditions; Not unlike a Catfish would do, as a species such as a Piraiba; One of the largest species of Catfish, if it's living in a river that it has to hunt a lot for the food it catches, it's possible it's going to be a lot smaller than one grown in a massive pond where it's given food to eat, and therefore exerts itself less getting food, allowing it to grow into man eating sizes easier. The temperature can change those Catfish as well, as it's pretty well understood that Catfish in the South of the US, "seem" to get larger than those in Northern States where we have Winters, but at the same time, Catfish in Northern States with a Winter Season, also tend to live longer.

Maybe Cannabis plants display these traits as well? Based on Conditions ?

Same clones can look completely different with different environments. Making the flower room much colder on Clone A tends to pull colors easier then Plant B (same clone) in a warmer room. This is probably the easiest way to prove the theory. However, I do not know if it would change THC values or terpene %'s. I would then assume a plant in a changed environment would also show differences as the VPD's of each grow would be different and in return would result in 2 complete different grows.

 

[Blizzard]

Hell, my one cut I have flowered out numerous times. Nearly every time I flowered it out, I got a different variation from a previous grow. All by tinkering with overall RH and temps.

 

[Gweedo's Growroom]

You guys are talking about phenotypes, just the variation within a plants genotype brought out by environmental conditions

 

[Blizzard]

You guys are talking about phenotypes, just the variation within a plants genotype brought out by environmental conditions

With a genotype, you would still get different variations if the environments were different? A genotype that is used to hot dry conditions may do poorly or even hermie in a cooler area? Unless I am not understanding something.

 

[Psychobilly]

So conditions is how Skunk #1 became UK Cheese? I've read it was a pack of Skunk #1 Seeds from Sensi Seeds that sprouted UK Cheese. I do know about the color variations, as I do my growing outside, and I live in the North, so when it gets really cold out, two things generally will happen depending on the strain of course:

If the temperature is dropped by 20 degrees Fahrenheit each night from the day time temperature, you can get nice colors to show up if the genetics allow for it.

From what I understand, the other thing a Cannabis plant will generally do if it's exposed to cold temperatures, is increase Resin Production; Apparently because Resin is "Weather Proofing" for the plant, and it increases it to protect it's seeds from the conditions. I'm not like able to prove that with a lab or anything as I don't have access to one, but from what I understand those are two of the things the plant will do in reaction to cold temps.

^ That is either a Skywalker or Detroit Lemonade branch I pulled last year, and the Purple Colors came out nicely! Some of them were almost black even, and I can't say every strain would take that, as there were a few nights that the temp dropped to about 27 degrees Fahrenheit and a few times, I had to knock snow off the branches LOL. I Honestly didn't have to deal with much mold either, as Resin seems to be water proof, which makes sense when you consider it's not water soluble, so the stickier the plant, the less likely it'll mold up is what it seems to show.

Thank you for taking time to reply guys; I appreciate that! I'm still learning about this, and the Phenotypes and Genotypes confuses me so, if I sound stupid, well, Hope I gave you a good laugh at least haha.

 

[Gweedo's Growroom]

With a genotype, you would still get different variations if the environments were different? A genotype that is used to hot dry conditions may do poorly or even hermie in a cooler area? Unless I am not understanding something.

Its the other way around, the phenotype is the environmental expression and the genotype is what a varietal is capable of doing under different conditions

 

[Blizzard]

Its the other way around, the phenotype is the environmental expression and the genotype is what a varietal is capable of doing under different conditions

I get that...basically a genetic "blue-print". However, can't the genotype be messed with in a way that you can breed out certain traits? Like evolution for example. If I take Landrace A and in it's code it is called for tall and long flowering plants. But if I kept using the smallest of the group over and over and over and over and so on, wouldn't the "small trait" eventually be breed out of that said geno?


Edit - or does said landrace A still just be considered a different phenotype from that said genotype?

 

[Gweedo's Growroom]

I'd say selective breeding over time would be a new strain at some point lol but I'm far from an expert ???

 

[Blizzard]

I'd say selective breeding over time would be a new strain at some point lol but I'm far from an expert ???

Sure wish I paid attention in class lol. The article really sparked an interest for me. Down the rabbit hole I go.

 

[Psychobilly]

Its the other way around, the phenotype is the environmental expression and the genotype is what a varietal is capable of doing under different conditions

Sounds a lot like "Every seed you sprout could be a totally new strain" if I'm reading this right haha. Nice to know the confusion has awesome results though.... I DO like UK Cheese haha.

To make these waters even more turbid; If a Phenotype is "environmental expression" would it not be the case that a genotype is the same thing? The Environment is after all, where these conditions would be met.

 

[Gweedo's Growroom]

I'm just gonna defer to whatever Wikipedia says ???, the genome by my understanding is the total capable expressions the plant can carry based on its heritage, the phenotype is what the environment pulls out of the plants genotype, its not going to express everything it is capable of every time ie they are not the same, and as for new strains I'm pretty sure if you selectively breed for multiple generations you'll end up with something quite different from the original depending on what you've selected for and totally not sure if it would be a new strain or just an f6,7,or whatever of said strain and it would just be a special cut of the original plant started with, but with certain expressions isolated by the inbreeding, we need an expert on this ?? @Schwaggy P @HydroRed

 

[Psychobilly]

I'm just gonna defer to whatever Wikipedia says ???, the genome by my understanding is the total capable expressions the plant can carry based on its heritage, the phenotype is what the environment pulls out of the plants genotype, its not going to express everything it is capable of every time ie they are not the same, and as for new strains I'm pretty sure if you selectively breed for multiple generations you'll end up with something quite different from the original depending on what you've selected for and totally not sure if it would be a new strain or just an f6,7,or whatever of said strain and it would just be a special cut of the original plant started with, but with certain expressions isolated by the inbreeding, we need an expert on this ?? @Schwaggy P @HydroRed

Is that what F7 and so on means?? I literally just learned that BX1 is back crossed last time I came on here haha! But yeah sorry I had to see if I could make it convoluted and I think I got what you mean. I just started learning a bit about this stuff not too long ago and was surprised that UK Cheese is essentially a specific Skunk #1. Kind of mind blowing moment to think about it haha. I do my stuff outside and this is my first year doing seedlings, and the difference between a Plant started from Seed, to a Clone of a clone of a.... You know.... The plant seems SO much stronger! I've got multiple Seed started plants this year and I was amazed at how much better they look.