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Amarok

bad mother chucker
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Just looked them up to verify which was which. It was Sean I fished with. Here's an article about another record. They are hardcore, but IN MY OPINION (IE I am not committing libel) due to personal observation and from stories told by mutual friends, not especially ethical.

 

jaguarlax

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I just swung by your journal to take a quick glance. Are you referring to the discoloration on that Gelato? If so that looks like a Mg issue but I can't tell if it's also a Ca issue. Since your plants are flowering they have those damn pre-flowers in the way, which typically have a yellow tint, so it's hard for me to see the 'green' on the new growth.

I do know that Ca deficiencies always begin with new growth since it's not mobile, and Mg always pulls from fan leaves because it's mobile. That 100% looks like what I'm dealing with too, Mg deficiency or lockout of some sort.

Shit man, maybe we're figuring this out together. Although I despise mixing dry nutrients in room temperature water, if it avoids these issues down the road I'm totally prepared to suffer. lol.
Actually it’s the Jungle Boys Wedding Cake (not Mac1) gifted to me by @Capt. C gifted to me that has me spinning my wheels... but yes it did present in my gelato as well. I will take a few pics here in just a sec After breakfast. and update this post

Okie... brefest is over... here she is.. in all of her deficient glory lol

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ricky_simples

In Bloom
Actually it’s the Jungle Boys Wedding Cake (not Mac1) gifted to me by @Capt. C gifted to me that has me spinning my wheels... but yes it did present in my gelato as well. I will take a few pics here in just a sec After breakfast. and update this post

Okie... brefest is over... here she is.. in all of her deficient glory lol

Yeah she definitely looks pissed. Are you using hot water from the tap or are you heating the water up?
How much mixing does the MC need to solubilize?
 

ricky_simples

In Bloom
Quite a noticable improvement over the last 7-8 days since mixing the Jacks 321 recipe at room temperature. Also increased the frequency of waterings to 3x per day instead of once per day late last week. 24hr intervals was allowing the medium to dry out a bit too much between waterings.

Also doing 50/50 RO/tap in the reservoir. When blended the water starts around 110ppm. Straight tap is around 230 ppm so I cut it with RO.

Barring any unforseen issues I'm thinking they'll be ready to flip in 10-14 days. PXL_20201203_114438739.jpg
 

ricky_simples

In Bloom
It appears things got reset last night on the forum so I'll post an update.

The other day I decided to take clones and cut all my plants down. It was a hard decision but I think it was the right one. In my experience, plants entering flower with deficiencies tend to struggle and I don't want to waste my time. Two weeks ago I reached out to JRPeters because my plants have continued to show Mg deficiencies. I was advised not to use scorching hot water to mix nutrients. For the last two weeks I've been doing everything by the book, and while the plants showed improvements, they never fully recovered.

I was a bit conflicted about chopping them down because I probably could have uppotted them to give those roots a chance to spread out and recover properly, but with the floraflex caps and drippers all setup, I didn't want to change everything up again. I feel that starting fresh and wiping the slate clean gives me a chance to figure out if using very hot water to mix the nutrients was the culprit of the Mg deficiency.

So right now I have about 24 clones in a propagation dome and 4 random seedlings germinating in rockwool. I'm not ready to ditch the Jacks 321 quite yet, especially when it has yielded me six very nice harvests to date.

I went through some of my previous journals on RIU and IG and spent a considerable amount of time reading up on what I was doing right. I'll be honest, I needed a bit of a confidence boost. It was nice to read up on some of my successes and it got my mind off of the current fiasco.

Some takeaways
  1. Looking back I always started plants at full strength with 321, so that's something I'll be doing again.
  2. I ran fulvic acid powder at .4 grams per gallon. I haven't been running that on these last grows so I'll be including that in my recipe moving forward. Did some reading and I'm going to to cut that down to .1 grams per gallon.
  3. I used enzymes religiously and randomly stopped. I picked up some cannazyme and will begin adding that to the reservoir at 5ML / gallon. Talked enzymes with the guys at the hydro store yesterday and I didn't know they also provide pest management benefits towards soft body insects.
  4. I used about 1ML / gallon of Silica. I just picked up a bottle of Armor SI and will be incorporating that into my recipe moving forward.
  5. I didn't use hot water to mix my nutrients, instead room temperature water. In Sept 2019 I purchased a 25lb bag of 5-12-26. The raw ingredients are different from tub I ordered in 2018. In 2018 the 5-12-26 mixed to a yellow/greenish color. The latter batch mixes to a copper/reddish color. I spoke to JRPeters about this and they attribute it to whom they source their raw ingredients from at the time of production. I did have successful harvests with the copper/reddish stuff, but noted it was more difficult to solubilize. This is where I started heating the water and things started to slowly unravel. I began augmenting with cal-mag around early 2020 and never put two and two together. So no more hot water and no more cal-mag.

Moving forward here's the breakdown of the reservoir ingredients per gallon.

3.6 grams Jacks 5-12-26
2.5 grams Calcium Nitrate
1.5 grams Epsom salt
.5ML Orca
1ML Silica
5ML Cannazyme
.1 gram Fulvic Acid
 
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Amarok

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I know what you mean about the kick in the confidence when the grow goes sideways. After taking a short break last summer, I felt like a noob again when I fired up in the autumn. I was second guessing myself on every little thing.

Respect to you for how you have systematically researched and addressed the issues. Hope you've got it figured out
 

ricky_simples

In Bloom
I know what you mean about the kick in the confidence when the grow goes sideways. After taking a short break last summer, I felt like a noob again when I fired up in the autumn. I was second guessing myself on every little thing.

Respect to you for how you have systematically researched and addressed the issues. Hope you've got it figured out

Thanks man, I definitely appreciate the kind words. I'll be honest with you, it had me pretty frustrated and torn up for a good 'day' or so... but I have to say that one of my redeeming qualities is being able to let things go. So after that one frustrating day I brushed myself and hopped back on the horse to begin the long ride ahead.
 

ricky_simples

In Bloom
I received an email back from JRPeters and while I appreciate their response, they're not telling me too much. Really nice folks though.

The vendor I purchased the 5-12-26 from on Ebay was Esbenshade's garden center, a very reputable retailer out of the PA area (same state JRPeters is based in). The bag I received was an unopened 25lb bag, so I doubt the contents inside were adulterated in any way.

I looked at their water/fert submission form and instructions. It states I would need to send a $40 check in with my sample for testing. Nice gesture for them to offer up the water testing but I'm not sure I want to pony up $40 quite yet.

I have to imagine that if I start with clean, RO water, at a PPM of 8-10 and add my 321 (which is advertised as complete with all elements), there shouldn't be any deficiencies in the first place. So I'm going to hold off on the water testing for now until I can get a few weeks into running these plants with the nutrients mixed in room temperature water.

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ricky_simples

In Bloom
There's a guy on RIU named TintEastwood who I need to give a standing applause to. I stumbled across one of his journals about Jacks 321 and was enlightened. He meticulously uses HydroBuddy to break down the elemental values of Jacks and several other popular nutrients and then posts this information in the form of excel screenshots. This information is so valuable that it's invaluable. In addition to that, he's got one of the most beautiful gardens I've ever seen. He grows in 2 gallon containers with coco (like I do) and typically never exceeds 700PPM throughout a grow. It was definitely eye opening to see, and now I have a change of heart about how strong I want my mix to be when I start these next plants

Part of the problem could have been the nutrients I was providing were too hot to start, and I believe high K early on can inhibit Mg uptake. So it's very realistic that I was causing some problems from a hot blend in addition to the scorching hot water.

Tint's journal gives me a reference point and guide of what to follow and replicate. I feel like I'm not on my own anymore, so to speak.

For the purpose of helping others and making sure this information is available, I'm going to post his screenshots below so people can download them and reference to them as needed.

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