Some Autos , some fems,some problems

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diskokobaja

Guest
Hello guys,I'm pretty bored so I decided to open some grow log.. Plants are in second week of flowering, snd like always in week or two problems will start to show..
I have 2 tents ..
1 tent 6 15l air pots filled with pre fert soil, under 360w of diy 3070 cree and 1212 citizen cobs.. 3500/3000k
I got mephisto crosses in there..

Other tent is 4 regular pots 12l ,filled with pre ferrt soil under two sanlight q4w. 150w each.I have street weed seeds from last year out door.. It seems to me its sativs.. Hope it isnt 10+ week.. I'm using bio bizz nutes.

These I my autos.Fans were green two days ago,snd I fed them yesterday..
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These are photos.
So far no probblemos.
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I'm using tap water which is 8.6ph and harrd as hell.. I keep air stone in it. I lower my ph with lime acid in cristals..
 
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diskokobaja

Guest
I think soil ph is 6.0 (I must look at the bag to be sure,) ,it's bio bizz all mix type of soil..It should be Organic fertilised. And yes all plants are in same soil.. I thout I dialed my lowering ph with lime acid long time ago when I had working ph meter.. I thout that with organic feeding has more ph range of using nutes..
 
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diskokobaja

Guest
Ph is from 6.5-7

Spec if soil are..
mine compost, white peat, black peat, perlite, stone flour, 100% organic fertilizer with micronutrients 3 kg / m3 - 6% N (total nitrogen), 7% P205 (total phosphate), 8%, K20 (potassium oxide). N (total nitrogen) 200-500 mg / l, P205 (phosphorus pentoxide) 200-500 mg / l, K20 (potassium oxide) 200-500 mg / l in substrate mixture
 

Jewels

Tilts at Tables
Op mentioned, ph probe not working .
Your source water is suspect.

However, I see yellow leaf very quickly when I dry out a plant.
Did these things get really dry, a few days ago ?
Your liquid rock water is very hard for plants to stomach to begin with, my tap is the same.
Dry soil , nutrients , and high Ph creates a micro apocalypse around the root zone.
(
Yun-Im Kang, Jin-Myeon Park, Seung-Heui Kim, Nam-Jun Kang, Kyoung-Sub Park, Si-Young Lee & Byoung Ryong Jeong (2011) EFFECTS OF ROOT ZONE PH AND NUTRIENT CONCENTRATION ON THE GROWTH AND NUTRIENT UPTAKE OF TOMATO SEEDLINGS,Journal of Plant Nutrition, 34:5, 640-652, DOI: 10.1080/01904167.2011.540621)

The responses to the pH levels differed by the nutrient-concentration levels. The unsuitable root zone pH, pH 4 and pH 8, caused more reductions of transpiration rates, stomatal conductance, and evapotranspiration than pH 6 does under high nutrient concentrations, specifically pH 8 strongly depressed these. At pH 8, fresh and dry weight and areas of shoot and root sharply reduced more than at pH 4. Total nitrogen (N) content in shoot and root was not significantly affected by pHs and nutrient concentrations. High pH and high nutrient concentration level increased magnesium uptake, but decreased calcium uptake.


So, in my experience losing bottom leaf = too dry.
Blacking off bottom leaf = to wet.
Rusty lower margins = Calcium trouble

Can’t say a solution; I have the same water (180-260 ppm , TDS) and the same problems.
 
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diskokobaja

Guest
I think @Jewels got it right..I didnt completly understand whole post (some sentences doesnt make sdnse to me although I know meaning of every word in it .) but yes those yellow leafs are almost completely dry and ready to fall off.. Maybe my between watering times are too long,(every 4 days,but they are never droopy) or I dont give them enought water? (I water all of them with 3 gallons of water.

Thing that baffles me is that my photo girls look , strong ,green and healthy..

Last time I had photo and auto grow (but with bio tabs) ,I had same situation autos showing problems, foto dont..

Hete are pics from yesterday.. I wont edint nothing. What you See is my real situation..

Sad looking autos first..
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And now foto

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diskokobaja

Guest
The problems keep getting worse. If It wasnt nesr summer, I would trash this whole grow and start again.. Same soil same water,same nutes and I got two totally different grows..
So here are my sad looking autoa..Rh is 60%, temp is 27c, schedule is 20/4..
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Rh 60% , temp 27.8c schedule 12/12

I noticed few orange pistils but that is led burn, I got same effect if I lover my cobs lower than 21" from canopyonf my autos.

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Gentlemancorpse

Cannabis Chaotician
The problems keep getting worse. If It wasnt nesr summer, I would trash this whole grow and start again.. Same soil same water,same nutes and I got two totally different grows..
So here are my sad looking autoa..Rh is 60%, temp is 27c, schedule is 20/4..
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Rh 60% , temp 27.8c schedule 12/12

I noticed few orange pistils but that is led burn, I got same effect if I lover my cobs lower than 21" from canopyonf my autos.

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I have similar issues with my autos too. I just can't get them dialed in. Indoors anyways, my outdoors autos are doing much better.

For whatever reason every indoor auto I've grown has wound up yellowing ... eventually it's the whole plant. Meanwhile, my photos do perfectly fine.
 

Capt. C

Saltwater Cowboy
Staff member
I really don't get it.. Since begining I'm doing autos, but last 3 grows (past year) it was fail after fail, and saddest part is that I got pretty decet results when I started, but longer I grew them, worst results I get. Like wtf.
I don't know man that auto train was not for me i failed to find anything consistent and worthy of a second grow. Those plants are different animals altogether. I have herd lots of good things about the Mephisto breeder for auto's but i have also herd they are hard to find. I am just now getting where i somewhat trust fem seeds as long as there was adequate testing on them. Welcome glad to have you!
 
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diskokobaja

Guest
I know that my constant changing of nutes and type of soil doesn't help.. First I started with hesi, after one or two grow with bunch ph problems i Switched to Advanced Nutrients ph perfect, but my hard water with high ph made me some problems but the yield was always here..Last year I decided to try ortgsnic..

I did two/three grows with bio tabs with mixed results, and last two grows I'm trying bio bizz..

I'm starting to doubt my cobs also now. They are entering 5th year, but they need to last 50 000hrs which I didn't achive.. Again I got two tents, auto and foto, similar age , same water source,same ph down, only difference is I got autos feeding lighter.. Dude that sent me this seeds, sent me photo of his girsl. His tent is fckn jungle, it's fire. Like is totally diffent strain..
Mine looks like sahara..
I dont really bonther about having perfect looking girls, but when yield starts to be a issue, like past two times (and judging from size if buds this will be epic fail) then Inhave a Huugee problem.. I have mount Everest tolerance and It wont be enough plus So much time and money spent for s*it.. If I cant get result with mephisto than Is better to never ever again try autoflowers..
 

Gentlemancorpse

Cannabis Chaotician
Yeah, I'm with you man. Autos are frustrating to me. The only ones I'd definitely grow again are the Mephisto strains but like @Capt. C said they are hard to find. I liked one of my Advanced Seeds AK47s a lot but the other was trash so I don't want to waste time on them again. The Seedsman strains were garbage for me. The one WickedPissah Black Cherry Pebbles looks like it might be decent but it's been chock full of weird growth traits and the Sour Sheriff's all damped off or failed to germ.

Like you said, it's frustrating to get worse at something when your trying so hard to get better and I feel like I've been on the same path with the autos. Everything I do to improve backfires.

Outdoors I've had no issues though (other than the damn slugs) so I think I'm just going to run the rest of my Mephisto stuff outdoors for the foreseeable future.
 

Capt. C

Saltwater Cowboy
Staff member
I know that my constant changing of nutes and type of soil doesn't help.. First I started with hesi, after one or two grow with bunch ph problems i Switched to Advanced Nutrients ph perfect, but my hard water with high ph made me some problems but the yield was always here..Last year I decided to try ortgsnic..

I did two/three grows with bio tabs with mixed results, and last two grows I'm trying bio bizz..

I'm starting to doubt my cobs also now. They are entering 5th year, but they need to last 50 000hrs which I didn't achive.. Again I got two tents, auto and foto, similar age , same water source,same ph down, only difference is I got autos feeding lighter.. Dude that sent me this seeds, sent me photo of his girsl. His tent is fckn jungle, it's fire. Like is totally diffent strain..
Mine looks like sahara..
I dont really bonther about having perfect looking girls, but when yield starts to be a issue, like past two times (and judging from size if buds this will be epic fail) then Inhave a Huugee problem.. I have mount Everest tolerance and It wont be enough plus So much time and money spent for s*it.. If I cant get result with mephisto than Is better to never ever again try autoflowers..
Potency was also a issue with the auto's for me. The main problem being is 50% of genetics comes from a plant that has very little if any THC content. They have come a long way in the breeding so far maybe they will get a lot better in the future. I can sure see the need for them in certain climates for outdoor stuff.
 

Gentlemancorpse

Cannabis Chaotician
Potency was also a issue with the auto's for me. The main problem being is 50% of genetics comes from a plant that has very little if any THC content. They have come a long way in the breeding so far maybe they will get a lot better in the future. I can sure see the need for them in certain climates for outdoor stuff.

Ya, you can see the difference, they just don't frost up like the photos do!
 
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diskokobaja

Guest
Ya, you can see the difference, they just don't frost up like the photos do!
I see some really frosty autos on the other forum's, Hell even I got some frosty too, but I cant remeber that any weed (street, or my own) impressed me in last 15y of smoking. No I'm lying there was some light green indoor with super small buds, that had like sea sponge feel under the fingers, and smeeled soo good, but my fckn dealer couldn't remember it's name.. It was soo smokeable, despite mids potency..

My only concern is wtf happened to me that my auto grows went so sour and bad..
 

Capt. C

Saltwater Cowboy
Staff member
I see some really frosty autos on the other forum's, Hell even I got some frosty too, but I cant remeber that any weed (street, or my own) impressed me in last 15y of smoking. No I'm lying there was some light green indoor with super small buds, that had like sea sponge feel under the fingers, and smeeled soo good, but my fckn dealer couldn't remember it's name.. It was soo smokeable, despite mids potency..

My only concern is wtf happened to me that my auto grows went so sour and bad..
My GUESS on the auto's is it is probably genetics messing with you and not your grow skills. ;)
 
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