Storing seeds in fridge

[HBZ]

I'm not sure I Believe this or not, but; Apparently "Chemdog" had the Chemdog "magic beans" in a fridge for over 20 years and they still sprouted. Again, just because he is well known, and somehow found the most sought after bag seed I've ever heard of literally ever, doesn't mean it's true. I don't know that dude at all, and have never met him, but I do LOVE Chemdog, and basically every strain that was crossed with it that I've had, so God only knows if all 13 of those beans were in fact legit from bag seed of some ounce he paid 600 for through the mail....

I'll be honest here; I've not ever in my life paid 600 dollars for an ounce....However, if I had a time machine, and I knew it was going to be THE Chemdog, and that it had 13 beans in it ALL of which have been named, and I had 600 dollars to blow.... Yeah I'd buy it. I mean shit if Chemdog, Chem's Sis, Chem 4, Chem D, Chem'91 all came out of a single purchase of ONE bag of weed.... I can see me going for it. Then I'd time machine myself back here and send out all 13 seeds for someone here to do a preservation run to give to our members.

I know not everyone is cool with "bag seed" but between all the Chemdogs AND Gorilla Glue; Clearly some hall of fame weed strains have come from it.

Some of those bagseed can be just as stable and and good and or better than anything on the market...As ALWAYS it's about selection...Few of the cuts I'm working with now are bagseed out of a LB of Fritter Lickers..Wasnt a bunch of seeds at all...ide have to ask the finder.. Mr Sticky sprouts..I know I have 7 or 8 seeds and also have 3 different cuts all very slightly different from Sticky .I've seen alot of plants man and I assure you these are super hot.. unique PUTRID! terped out to the max..and as of yesterday found out they are dead nuts potent..better than what they came out of even..I'm always down for bagseed.. Remember...Your only one seed away from the best pheno you've ever seen in your life...Ya never know which seed that is

 

[Psychobilly]

Some of those bagseed can be just as stable and and good and or better than anything on the market...As ALWAYS it's about selection...Few of the cuts I'm working with now are bagseed out of a LB of Fritter Lickers..Wasnt a bunch of seeds at all...ide have to ask the finder.. Mr Sticky sprouts..I know I have 7 or 8 seeds and also have 3 different cuts all very slightly different from Sticky .I've seen alot of plants man and I assure you these are super hot.. unique PUTRID! terped out to the max..and as of yesterday found out they are dead nuts potent..better than what they came out of even..I'm always down for bagseed.. Remember...Your only one seed away from the best pheno you've ever seen in your life...Ya never know which seed that is

Yeah, that's why I've got no qualms about running something that came from a bud; The Chem D and GMO I ran this year was from bagseed and I'm OK with that. I've also not seen actual verified proof that a hermie bean is going to ALWAYS hermie out either, so I'm totally fine with it. I mean it's not like I can just order Chem D and actually pay for it so it allows me to keep running a strain that I love without spending a bunch of cash.

I joked one day that the difference between good weed and REALLY good weed, was that good weed has no seeds in it; REALLY good weed you HOPE there's a seed in it LOL.

 

[HBZ]

Yeah, that's why I've got no qualms about running something that came from a bud; The Chem D and GMO I ran this year was from bagseed and I'm OK with that. I've also not seen actual verified proof that a hermie bean is going to ALWAYS hermie out either, so I'm totally fine with it. I mean it's not like I can just order Chem D and actually pay for it so it allows me to keep running a strain that I love without spending a bunch of cash.

I joked one day that the difference between good weed and REALLY good weed, was that good weed has no seeds in it; REALLY good weed you HOPE there's a seed in it LOL.

Man that's so true..Just praying for a seed or two??

 

[Frosty78]

Yeah, that's why I've got no qualms about running something that came from a bud; The Chem D and GMO I ran this year was from bagseed and I'm OK with that. I've also not seen actual verified proof that a hermie bean is going to ALWAYS hermie out either, so I'm totally fine with it. I mean it's not like I can just order Chem D and actually pay for it so it allows me to keep running a strain that I love without spending a bunch of cash.

I joked one day that the difference between good weed and REALLY good weed, was that good weed has no seeds in it; REALLY good weed you HOPE there's a seed in it LOL.

Guess that depends on if you view a hermi as a good thing or a bad thing....some may think it's a good evolution thing, others may not. If you were going to work something to f5 or further you would work on eliminating that trait through successive filial generations. Particularly if you like a strain or pheno from it you've found. I would wonder why it hermied in the first place. Light leak High humidity excessive stress etc.

 

[Psychobilly]

Guess that depends on if you view a hermi as a good thing or a bad thing....some may think it's a good evolution thing, others may not. If you were going to work something to f5 or further you would work on eliminating that trait through successive filial generations. Particularly if you like a strain or pheno from it you've found. I would wonder why it hermied in the first place. Light leak High humidity excessive stress etc.

In the case of the Chem D I've got, I'd guess stress. It was done indoor and wasn't mine but I ended up with some and kept the seeds cause I love that one. I don't get many seeds, but enough to run her each year without worrying about a Male, though I do still check them for that just in case stray pollen came in.

So how do you select for eliminating that trait? Clone each plant, flower them out and see if any didn't? I've always wondered how every Chemdog or Gorilla Glue could be used without passing the trait on actually.

 

[Ohwolfie]

Guess that depends on if you view a hermi as a good thing or a bad thing....some may think it's a good evolution thing, others may not. If you were going to work something to f5 or further you would work on eliminating that trait through successive filial generations. Particularly if you like a strain or pheno from it you've found. I would wonder why it hermied in the first place. Light leak High humidity excessive stress etc.

To me if it herms, it means that a plant is sensitive to stress. Could be a light leak, could be temperature swings, could be flipping to 12/12 too early. Some plants are just herm prone, regardless of how you grow it. Maybe the intersex trait has become dominant. There are a lot of reasons why, but if it goes intersex, it means that it's sensitive to stress. At least in my opinion. Some plants won't even turn with STS. They are almost herm proof. You could turn the lights off and on, open the tent with the lights out, have temp and humidity swings. Nothing..

I don't always throw away herm females though. But I won't use herm males and herm females together. If the male herms, I toss it. No questions asked. But I once grew out some Grape Limeade x Black Lime Reserve F1, and every female went intersex. All 4 of them. 2 of 4 males were intersex, so I pitched those, and used the other two for pollination.

I later grew some F2, trying to herm them by growing 3 plants in a 1/2 gallon pot together. Not only did they not herm, they were fucking killer weed. I grew some F2 from a sibling of those, also no intersex. I guess one could infer that it was something in my grow environment that hermed the F1, or maybe using stable males helped to add stability to the F2.

 

[Frosty78]

In the case of the Chem D I've got, I'd guess stress. It was done indoor and wasn't mine but I ended up with some and kept the seeds cause I love that one. I don't get many seeds, but enough to run her each year without worrying about a Male, though I do still check them for that just in case stray pollen came in.

So how do you select for eliminating that trait? Clone each plant, flower them out and see if any didn't? I've always wondered how every Chemdog or Gorilla Glue could be used without passing the trait on actually.

Heat stress cold stress over water under water. Shocking the plant and indoors light leak or excessive longer light spells. Happened to me with bakehouse. Somehow timer didn't shut off and I got up for a slash Gordon outside at 3am and the lights were going for a couple of days. One hermed at start of flower so I culled it. Rest were good. And they copped over and under water too and some high humidity.
The rest survived so I made f2 from them but the f1 I sent out to a few fellas here I stated watch out for herm. It's in my journal. F1 you are obviously more prone to it. F5 it's been eliminated so watch those f1s

 

[Psychobilly]

Lol I didn't even consider cold stress but given my climate I should have... yeah bro I mark each strain and the year, which I started doing in case some of them are pollination related instead. A lot of people grow around here and pollen can go a long way so I have to watch that. That Blue Cheese cross I've got is one example. So far I've smoked probably a quarter pound, maybe more, of that Chem D, and gotten 4 or 5 seeds, but I have them separate just in case. I've still got a few from last year too.... this is why I need so much seed space now haha, I keep everything in it's own baggie. I'm legit OCD and strains are an easy way to tell lol.

It'd be interesting to properly hunt each year's seeds, but currently I just grow them out because that strain helps me out a lot and I'm too broke to even try to find real Chem D beans that weren't stressed out. I mean I'm not trying to breed with her of course, unless I found something truly stand out like and could keep a cutting of it. But having literally pounds of Chem D sitting around me that helps a lot, is a good enough reason for me to run it so I'm OK with that.

 

[Sugar Pops420]

First of all, DONT GET ME WRONG.
I fully understand how and why a feminized seed has earned its place.
With that said though, if we keep making she-he’s and keep giving plants totally fucked up hormonal messages, it’s only a matter of time before it settles into the males too. (If you rewrite the dna, it follows the line.)
I personally don’t like breeding from feminized seed, ofcourse sooner or later I’ll more than likely have to, but I reserve that for preservation purposes, and will not let out any seeds of the first two filial generations (Except for testing purposes). I’ll cross my fingers that f3 has stabilized the hormones and only after stress testing on many different fronts would I release it to the gen public.
Some people know how to work with f2, but some don’t and they go about it like it’s a normal seed. It is not the case, and those who know, understand f2 can go all over the board, yet they are for sale everywhere now days. (Again, don’t get me wrong, I get it that we all need to make our two cents from our endeavours, but it’s at the cost of the plant)
Feed a man estrogen and don’t expect man boobies… kinda twisted huh…?
Feed a woman testosterone and she has a better moustache than the guys from YMCA! ??
Do the math, something has to give!
So there’s my two cents. It’s only an opinion, but it makes sense in my head…?‍?

A little bit of insight, 20+ years ago, hermies were nowhere near as prevalent as much as they are these days.. Back then, we didn’t feminize like we do now(frequency) Is there a correlation? More than likely!
But again, I don’t wear a lab coat, so it’s just my opinion, and perhaps some food for thought.
Ok ok, I’ll shut up now, but hey… thanks for reading!(now it’s in your head too!?)

 

[Psychobilly]

Aren't F2s the best for hunting ? Like diversity and all that?

And don't worry bro I don't think anyone is gonna be that upset over an opinion, shit have you seen the way I drive in that what's on your mind thread?

It'd be interesting to see if there is correlation between fems and hermies, VS inbreeding really new strains that aren't stable; I've read that crossing a landrace can help stabilize a line but I honestly don't know if that's true.

I have a few F2s here I think, but I'm not worried about running them personally.

Also; I don't need estrogen for man boobies; Whoppers we're 2 for 5 dollars for a year and probably cheaper than hormones hahaha.

 

[Sugar Pops420]

By all means F2’s are the wild cards, ( not to be confused with the joker)..lol
THAT is where you want to hunt PHENOS, but it’s still a wild card!!!
Genomes and Phenomes are not the same.
Landrace is a solid “In Bred Line” and does offer SOME stability, but there is still work to do for “stable” genetics yet..
Usually back crossing and/or cubing comes into play there, as there are still positive and recessive genes doing their thing.. ( in a hundred plants, a few will be shorter, and some will be taller than the general population(of plants) showing “difference”.
Have you noticed you don’t often see f4’s for sale? How about f5’s?..?
It’s at that point, they call it a “stable“ line. At least so far as I understand.

New crosses aren’t yet inbred until there are many filial generations.
Where as Landraces have been inbreeding for eons.

Getting back to the Whoppers, I’m really glad they don’t do that with poutine! ( that would totally wreck my fine girlish figure!) lmao
I’m not big on moustache wearing women either though, probably why I went for the German girl over the Greek…?

Hope you all are having a great one!
MLAR

 

[Psychobilly]

By all means F2’s are the wild cards, ( not to be confused with the joker)..lol
THAT is where you want to hunt PHENOS, but it’s still a wild card!!!
Genomes and Phenomes are not the same.
Landrace is a solid “In Bred Line” and does offer SOME stability, but there is still work to do for “stable” genetics yet..
Usually back crossing and/or cubing comes into play there, as there are still positive and recessive genes doing their thing.. ( in a hundred plants, a few will be shorter, and some will be taller than the general population(of plants) showing “difference”.
Have you noticed you don’t often see f4’s for sale? How about f5’s?..?
It’s at that point, they call it a “stable“ line. At least so far as I understand.

New crosses aren’t yet inbred until there are many filial generations.
Where as Landraces have been inbreeding for eons.

Getting back to the Whoppers, I’m really glad they don’t do that with poutine! ( that would totally wreck my fine girlish figure!) lmao
I’m not big on moustache wearing women either though, probably why I went for the German girl over the Greek…?

Hope you all are having a great one!
MLAR

OK thanks; I've read about it but never tested so I wasn't exactly sure how it went.

Lol if Poutine was that cheap the boobies wouldn't matter; I'd be dead from a coronary or something lol.

 

[Agreenpassion]

Many also store seeds in freezing environments that stay the same temp. And of course completely dry. Just be careful how you get them up to temp. I just keep seed dessicated/dark/cold.


What if YOU could pop seeds that were up to 52 yrs. old, within a month to have vigorous seedlings? And @ less than $600/10 seeds. Not a sales pitch. Look it up.

Go ahead and laugh. And poke fun and chuckle. I have a thick skin, dudes. But if you care or are bored chat with ANY Good tissue culture lab that works with seed embyos.