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WTF. Another member had ugly issues after receiving cuts from me. I have no signs of anything here still, not sure wtf happened but cleary something went wrong. Mites were what popped up on his. If you have mites whether from the cuts or not I will order anything you need to kill and clean your space. WTF.
 

GthaEnigma

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@GCG if you had them you would know for sure. Mine came from my wonderful local road department. They use them to control invasive star thistle along the roads. They migrate. Just saying there are literally a hundred ways they can appear. They can hitchhike on pets, clothes, hair, etc. Not casting blame just diagnosing issue,.
 

stanknugzz77

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I want to preface this by saying that by being a human being, as well as an adult, I take 100% responsibility for my actions, including what makes it into my garden.

Got em from someone on here. I don’t want to point any fingers in their direction without checking all my boxes. pWent and look and nope nothing crawling around on any of em. I’ve been thinking a virus or mold


Checked and nope, no creepy crawlies. Mold, Virus, or nutrient/soil issue were my thoughts.

I’ll get some pics of the leaves up
I received cuts from someone here too. Again, that person was just trying to help me out and any fingers that need to be pointed are solely at myself for allowing whatever made it into my garden.

I scoped the cuttings upon receiving them. They took a month and a half or more to root and were basically on the brink of death before showing any signs of rooting. I put them in some cups with soil under a small light, still in quarantine. A week or so later, my friend's place where I was quarantining had a busted water pipe, so I came and hurriedly scoped them again before moving them to my main op. I had managed to limp Blue Dream, Blueberry and Chem '91 to rooting and they looked to be on the upswing. I was quite pleased with myself, for a moment haha. After 3 days or so, the cuttings looked to be growing, but the growth almost looked like reveg. I thought it was because they had been to the brink of death and back, so I didn't really think much of it, but I also saw what looked like microscopic bites on the lower leaves. Just to be on the safe side, I busted out my microscope again. At 60x, I didn't see anything. At 100x, I saw these tiny bubbles that looked like eggs. My first thought was spider mites, but upon further inspection, I saw these nasty little fuckers that look almost wedge shaped and white, almost translucent. Prior to this, the worst pest I had encountered was spider mites, so my dumb ass literally sat there and thought, "whew, whatever it is, at least it isn't spider mites" hahaha. Boy would I love if it had been spider mites now. I felt alright, but then I was hit with this nauseous feeling. I immediately recalled my homie telling me about the Borg years ago that he had gotten from some cuts from a friend. I googled russet mites and sure enough, that is exactly what I had. I started checking other plants in my walk-in closet that I utilize as a seedling/cutting room and I couldn't see to many russet mites, but there were quite a few eggs. In 3 days, they had spread like wildfire.
aw dang, 60x wouldn’t work? i gotta bust out the microscope? ? IF it is mites, i am not the type to try and fight em. they give me the heebie jeebies so total eradication is in order if I spot em.
Compared to some of the pictures of horrible infestations that I saw online, I had seemingly caught it really early, but this was ultimately the route I chose as well. I started to treat everything with sulphur, but I thought that I might fight an uphill battle, just to have them creep back in and rear their ugly heads again at some point down the road after I got complacent. I trashed three full rooms and my walk-in closet full of seedlings/cuttings. I had several plants that were just about to be harvested and 6+ seed crops that would be harvested over the next few weeks. It all went to the city dump, one town over, just to be sure that I wasn't hanging on to any of those little fuckers. I was physically/ mentally sick for a few days to a week. I had just trashed everything I had worked tirelessly to build. I have cleaned all of the rooms ridiculously well and I am waiting for a month and a half or two, just to be on the safe side. I keep telling myself that it will be nice to start fresh with all new cultivars, but some of the cuts that I hunted from seed definitely still hurt, if I focus on it too much.

On a positive note, I have way more time to spend with my loved ones. I even have the freedom to take a vacation if I wanted to haha, but I am not really trying to drag my family around with everything going on in the world. I will be back to planting and better than ever in no time.

WTF. Another member had ugly issues after receiving cuts from me. I have no signs of anything here still, not sure wtf happened but cleary something went wrong. Mites were what popped up on his. If you have mites whether from the cuts or not I will order anything you need to kill and clean your space. WTF.
I wrote all of that before I saw your post and I wasn't going to ever speak on it or name any names either, but again, no matter what or where anything came from I AM 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT MAKES IT INTO MY GARDEN. I have love and appreciation for you brother. I still appreciate you trying to hook me up. Again, I have soooo many dope seeds that I will be growing in the near future and hopefully be finding new and different mothers/studs to work with. I will be starting with only my own creations for the first few months, just to continuously scope everything and be certain that no stragglers are waiting in the wings to make a comeback.

@AlienAthena No matter what the case, I hope everything goes as well as possible for you! Positive vibes...

~nugzz
 

AlienAthena

The Chosen One
I want to preface this by saying that by being a human being, as well as an adult, I take 100% responsibility for my actions, including what makes it into my garden.


I received cuts from someone here too. Again, that person was just trying to help me out and any fingers that need to be pointed are solely at myself for allowing whatever made it into my garden.

I scoped the cuttings upon receiving them. They took a month and a half or more to root and were basically on the brink of death before showing any signs of rooting. I put them in some cups with soil under a small light, still in quarantine. A week or so later, my friend's place where I was quarantining had a busted water pipe, so I came and hurriedly scoped them again before moving them to my main op. I had managed to limp Blue Dream, Blueberry and Chem '91 to rooting and they looked to be on the upswing. I was quite pleased with myself, for a moment haha. After 3 days or so, the cuttings looked to be growing, but the growth almost looked like reveg. I thought it was because they had been to the brink of death and back, so I didn't really think much of it, but I also saw what looked like microscopic bites on the lower leaves. Just to be on the safe side, I busted out my microscope again. At 60x, I didn't see anything. At 100x, I saw these tiny bubbles that looked like eggs. My first thought was spider mites, but upon further inspection, I saw these nasty little fuckers that look almost wedge shaped and white, almost translucent. Prior to this, the worst pest I had encountered was spider mites, so my dumb ass literally sat there and thought, "whew, whatever it is, at least it isn't spider mites" hahaha. Boy would I love if it had been spider mites now. I felt alright, but then I was hit with this nauseous feeling. I immediately recalled my homie telling me about the Borg years ago that he had gotten from some cuts from a friend. I googled russet mites and sure enough, that is exactly what I had. I started checking other plants in my walk-in closet that I utilize as a seedling/cutting room and I couldn't see to many russet mites, but there were quite a few eggs. In 3 days, they had spread like wildfire.

Compared to some of the pictures of horrible infestations that I saw online, I had seemingly caught it really early, but this was ultimately the route I chose as well. I started to treat everything with sulphur, but I thought that I might fight an uphill battle, just to have them creep back in and rear their ugly heads again at some point down the road after I got complacent. I trashed three full rooms and my walk-in closet full of seedlings/cuttings. I had several plants that were just about to be harvested and 6+ seed crops that would be harvested over the next few weeks. It all went to the city dump, one town over, just to be sure that I wasn't hanging on to any of those little fuckers. I was physically/ mentally sick for a few days to a week. I had just trashed everything I had worked tirelessly to build. I have cleaned all of the rooms ridiculously well and I am waiting for a month and a half or two, just to be on the safe side. I keep telling myself that it will be nice to start fresh with all new cultivars, but some of the cuts that I hunted from seed definitely still hurt, if I focus on it too much.

On a positive note, I have way more time to spend with my loved ones. I even have the freedom to take a vacation if I wanted to haha, but I am not really trying to drag my family around with everything going on in the world. I will be back to planting and better than ever in no time.


I wrote all of that before I saw your post and I wasn't going to ever speak on it or name any names either, but again, no matter what or where anything came from I AM 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT MAKES IT INTO MY GARDEN. I have love and appreciation for you brother. I still appreciate you trying to hook me up. Again, I have soooo many dope seeds that I will be growing in the near future and hopefully be finding new and different mothers/studs to work with. I will be starting with only my own creations for the first few months, just to continuously scope everything and be certain that no stragglers are waiting in the wings to make a comeback.

@AlienAthena No matter what the case, I hope everything goes as well as possible for you! Positive vibes...

~nugzz
Damn man sorry to hear you gotta start over. I have more seeds of everything I’ll be chopping so i’m not too worried. Honestly didn’t even think it was mites so I’m glad I posted it, I usually keep the uglies hidden ?

How do you use the sulphur to clean your area?

One thing i’m just remembering is, it did get really warm before going cold for a week and now we’re back to warm. I don’t know what the weather is like where you’re at but things got bad when it started warming up. Honestly kind of a blessing as I was going a little crazy with the variety of strains I was growing. I’ll be reigning it in a little bit with the next seeds I drop.

Another thing is i’m not sure the from seed plants are suffering from the same thing but i’m keeping an eye on them, the Blueberry IceCream x Mimosa HP looks to slowly be recovering but not sure. Luckily haven’t placed anything in flower tent that has been in contact with the clones.

New pics incoming
 

AlienAthena

The Chosen One
Flower Update

Man I swear I now see mites everywhere omg. Ordering Lost Coast Therapy and nematodes asap!

Dosidos #22 was chopped day 78. This plant looks like bugs were attacking it, ugh ... look at those crusty leaves and weird spots
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Fake Shake #4 was chopped , I think I called it #2 in the other post whoops. Smells like pepper and tiny bit of fruit
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Texas Butter day 78 should've been chopped also but wasn't feeling it, such a lanky mess but the clone looks and smells so much better than her mom.
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Day 29 for Apple Tartz
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Day 29 for Fake Shake #2 , Did a terrible job of defoliating but I love the way this plant grows
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AlienAthena

The Chosen One
Veg Update

Incoming some ugly pictures

Alrighty first up on the ugly train is Chocolate Fire Cookies S1, is this russet mite damage?
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can't remember what this is but it's also struggling
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Believe it or not the Blueberry Ice Cream x Mimosa Hp looks to be trying to survive. 5 day difference... I think it's improving or I tripping?
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I might have to cut my losses with this Grease's Pieces and start over
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ignore the sticky trap, what y'all think? should I just chop em down?
 

AlienAthena

The Chosen One
if it’s not going to set you back, why deal with the hassle and risk?
I should've been clear, I'm talking about the BBIC x Mimosa HP and Greases Pieces in regards to cutting. Everything in the 2.5x2.5 is getting chopped. I chopeed the LSD as it seemed to be getting worse not better, while the other two ma be turning the corning. Believe it or not the ASS S1 looked like those but are now thriving in flower that's why I don't think those are going through what the clones did. The leaf characteristics are different.
 

GthaEnigma

Canna-Arborist
I feel your pain AA. I f'n hate russets. I lost a lot to the little bastards this last season. They hit during the height of the forest fires when the smoke was so thick I couldn't see them. They ran rampant for at least two weeks before the smoke cleared and I could see them. Four weeks to knock them down. Needless to say the damage was extensive in a thick canopy like I had at the time. Still pulled down a solid harvest. They can be fought if necessary, but if you don't have to fight them, nuking the tent and BURNING the plants, I do mean literally burning, will take care of the problem. Rise from the ashes and start anew. Best of luck and KILL THEM ALL!
 

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Kold Kasiz

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I should've been clear, I'm talking about the BBIC x Mimosa HP and Greases Pieces in regards to cutting. Everything in the 2.5x2.5 is getting chopped. I chopeed the LSD as it seemed to be getting worse not better, while the other two ma be turning the corning. Believe it or not the ASS S1 looked like those but are now thriving in flower that's why I don't think those are going through what the clones did. The leaf characteristics are different.
I’d go ahead and chop those 2 too. They will have survivors and eventually leech to your new plants. A good reset will be best for the long run. That leaf twist is definitely a sign of mites. It looks to be pretty good timing honestly if there is such a thing. Glad you got to harvest those beauties!
 

AlienAthena

The Chosen One
I feel your pain AA. I f'n hate russets. I lost a lot to the little bastards this last season. They hit during the height of the forest fires when the smoke was so thick I couldn't see them. They ran rampant for at least two weeks before the smoke cleared and I could see them. Four weeks to knock them down. Needless to say the damage was extensive in a thick canopy like I had at the time. Still pulled down a solid harvest. They can be fought if necessary, but if you don't have to fight them, nuking the tent and BURNING the plants, I do mean literally burning, will take care of the problem. Rise from the ashes and start anew. Best of luck and KILL THEM ALL!
I’m indoors and these plants are barely 12 inches i can throw them in bags and put in a bin far away. Now how do I clean my tent??

I’d go ahead and chop those 2 too. They will have survivors and eventually leech to your new plants. A good reset will be best for the long run. That leaf twist is definitely a sign of mites. It looks to be pretty good timing honestly if there is such a thing. Glad you got to harvest those beauties!
Right but my thing is this, do you think what they’re suffering from currently is also more damage? This is a problem that has occurred numerous times before and i’d like to know what it is/what cause it. My ASS S1s were on the same path, I actually had 3 and ended up chopping one when I thought it was too bad but the other two recovered eventually and as you can see they look completely healthy... I will probably chop them down but my main concern is figuring out why they look the way they do.

I will also say that my tent with the clones and seedlings/early veg plants isn’t ANYWHERE near the other two tents. Only the 3x3 might have an issue. Damage should be minimal there and 8x4. It’s the 2.5x2.5 I have to nuke. I might just throw it away and start over completely
 

Kold Kasiz

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What about Mega Crop? I remember you saying the bag looked weird a few weeks ago. Have you been using it? Maybe it scorched those plants.
Im not sure the underlying problem and I’m sure you could nurse those 2 back. I’m a firm believer every bag of dirt comes with free bugs/eggs. If it was me I would cut them and do exactly what G suggested.
You could start some seeds in a bathroom or something and by the 2 weeks to clean and wait for the tent to be ready, the babies would be ready too. Jmo
 

Schwaggy P

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I knew a grower that had a bad russet mite infestation who said the ASS cut I sent seemed mite-resistant (not related to his issue, he got the mites from IG cuts brought in long after I shared my cut). All of his plants had the stunted twisted growth and crazy mite action under a x100 scope except for the ASS plants. You may be experiencing a similar resistance with your ASS S1 plants.
 

AlienAthena

The Chosen One
I knew a grower that had a bad russet mite infestation who said the ASS cut I sent seemed mite-resistant (not related to his issue, he got the mites from IG cuts brought in long after I shared my cut). All of his plants had the stunted twisted growth and crazy mite action under a x100 scope except for the ASS plants. You may be experiencing a similar resistance with your ASS S1 plants.
Everyone is stuck on the mites, can you look at these pictures and say this is from mites? The damage is not the same nor do they look the same from the clones. As I stated, this is a problem that popped up before so I just want to be sure

This is what the ASS S1 looked like, there was no mites or clones at this time. 1/22/2021
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1/29/2021 you can see them improving , I got impatient though and chopped the shorter one
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2/19/2020
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compared to the clones
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Do you see what I mean when I say different characteristics? ASS S1 never came into contact with any mites so resistance isn't a question but my current veg plant are looking how the ASS S1 did not the clones...

This was the LSD before I chopped it
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I need to order more LSD beans, only had the one.
 

AlienAthena

The Chosen One
What about Mega Crop? I remember you saying the bag looked weird a few weeks ago. Have you been using it? Maybe it scorched those plants.
Im not sure the underlying problem and I’m sure you could nurse those 2 back. I’m a firm believer every bag of dirt comes with free bugs/eggs. If it was me I would cut them and do exactly what G suggested.
You could start some seeds in a bathroom or something and by the 2 weeks to clean and wait for the tent to be ready, the babies would be ready too. Jmo
Yeah it looks white but when added to water it mixes the same and has that brown color. I need a new tds meter, I say this often, but keep forgetting to grab one or even some type of calibration solution. According to my meter I haven't gone above 330ppm. I'll give the two in the 3x3 another week then make my decision. I'm going to start cleaning the 2.5x2.5 now and I'll start new seeds next week and hopefully by 4/20 things are better
 

Schwaggy P

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Everyone is stuck on the mites
I peaked in and saw an issue where mites were mentioned alongside some Appalachian Super Skunk plants that didn't seem to be exhibiting the same observed issue. I thought it might help to recount an experience that may aid in figuring things out; wasn't meant to be a diagnosis.

can you look at these pictures and say this is from mites?
Admittedly, I haven't read through the entirety of this issue so please pardon anything that may have already been covered.

Just limiting myself to this picture I wouldn't think mites; my first impression is either a pH issue or low feed. I see what may be a magnesium deficiency (interveinal chlorosis, lime green color, necrotic tips, majority of affected leaves are lower to middle) in all three plants pictured. This would lead me to conclude whatever the issue is, it is systemic and uniform to afflict all three so similarly. Whenever I get this type of thing, it's usually my pH meter needing calibration, seasonal municipal water pH swing, or needing higher feed concentrations/boost in Mg. The LSD looks to have similar issues to the picture referenced.

In contrast, the clones look to be dealing with something different. The leaf distortion and overall mottled look would have me questioning mite damage over a general pH type issue.
 

AlienAthena

The Chosen One
I knew a grower that had a bad russet mite infestation who said the ASS cut I sent seemed mite-resistant (not related to his issue, he got the mites from IG cuts brought in long after I shared my cut). All of his plants had the stunted twisted growth and crazy mite action under a x100 scope except for the ASS plants. You may be experiencing a similar resistance with your ASS S1 plant
I peaked in and saw an issue where mites were mentioned alongside some Appalachian Super Skunk plants that didn't seem to be exhibiting the same observed issue. I thought it might help to recount an experience that may aid in figuring things out; wasn't meant to be a diagnosis.


Admittedly, I haven't read through the entirety of this issue so please pardon anything that may have already been covered.

Just limiting myself to this picture I wouldn't think mites; my first impression is either a pH issue or low feed. I see what may be a magnesium deficiency (interveinal chlorosis, lime green color, necrotic tips, majority of affected leaves are lower to middle) in all three plants pictured. This would lead me to conclude whatever the issue is, it is systemic and uniform to afflict all three so similarly. Whenever I get this type of thing, it's usually my pH meter needing calibration, seasonal municipal water pH swing, or needing higher feed concentrations/boost in Mg. The LSD looks to have similar issues to the picture referenced.

In contrast, the clones look to be dealing with something different. The leaf distortion and overall mottled look would have me questioning mite damage over a general pH type issue.
Thank you so much! Okay so we’re on the same page. I was thinking it’s the water. My first thought was a change in the water from the city and then followed by my ph being off. I’ll grab bulk ph calibration solution and up the cal mag from here on out.

The clones were definitely affected by mites; based off pictures and from what everyone told me. The stems were looking “rusty”/orange ?. Honestly disgusted with them, I hate how tiny they are. I’ve thrown away everything in the 2.5x2.5 and sprayed it down with bleach mix and i’ll do that every other day for a week .
 
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