Inferno Mike's Fantasy Phenotype Festival

[Inferno Mike]

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I run blumats blusoak tape in my 400 sqft outdoor veggie garden. On carrots for control. 11x 4'x8' raised beds. I use individual carrots on all my deck plants as well, using 1 carrot and 5 drippers to water 5 pots. Same soil, size, and sun exposure. Assorted herbs, leafy greens, or peppers. This is of course hooked up to a pressurized municipal system ran through dual filters for chloramines.

Those drippers don't work worth a shit on a gravity fed system, but I always wondered how they would do under pressure.

I think that sounds like a sick setup, I'm jealous and probably out of my depth. I've never had to think about chloramines, and I'm genuinely curious about municipal water. What ppm active chloramine does your water municipal water system have normally? Can I assume you've got some sort of RO membrane system or is it some other type of filtration? Around here they use chlorine at 2ppm +/-1, I don't even think about it. Total ppm at our source is around 100ppm, no significantly measurable biologicals or other poisons. I have an RO filter for breeding soft water cichlids in the aquarium and drinking water (because my gf likes it that way) but after doing a fair bit of research on water safety I drink water right out of the tap these days and so do my plants. I don't think chloramine evaporates, does it?

 

[Inferno Mike]

That was a great answer with great tips that I do as well. I haven’t had clog problems but try to squeeze the dripper ends every once in awhile like you mentioned. I’ve bought 3 patio sets so I do have 36. Depending on size of your plants I wouldn’t want more than 12 drippers on a res. I would recommend a couple separate smaller res. in case there is a problem if you have room. Once dialed in they are a savior if all your plants are happy with the same nutes.

I fill the res, I watch them grow, I fill the res, watch them grow, pinch the dripper tubes, fill the res again, and eventually they're done, it's almost too easy.

 

[Gentlemancorpse]

I fill the res, I watch them grow, I fill the res, watch them grow, pinch the dripper tubes, fill the res again, and eventually they're done, it's almost too easy.

See this is what I want... I need to simplify

 

[Inferno Mike]

See this is what I want... I need to simplify

I like it because it is 100% passive. No pumps (there's an air pump a with bubbler in res, but that's an optimization not a necessity) - gravity doesn't have service outages like the electricity does, so I've gone on road trips for 3-5 days in late flower without worrying. Well, I worried, but the plants didn't miss me at all.

 

[Inferno Mike]

Pro-Tip for non-plumbers: Two reservoirs in a loop, at the same height on each end, or a single res on a loop with a standpipe on the far end is the key to keeping good pressure with gravity fed systems. I learned that the hard way.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Do you have problems with spiraling roots when using blumats?

When growing in plastic pots/bags, I have to let the soil almost dry out completely between waterings in order to get proper root structure during veg.

If they can go another day without water, they wait.

I don't push it during flower because roots should be fully developed, and accidentally letting a plant wilt is a recipe for intersex problems.

 

[Dis]

Looks like someone

Those drippers don't work worth a shit on a gravity fed system, but I always wondered how they would do under pressure.

I think that sounds like a sick setup, I'm jealous and probably out of my depth. I've never had to think about chloramines, and I'm genuinely curious about municipal water. What ppm active chloramine does your water municipal water system have normally? Can I assume you've got some sort of RO membrane system or is it some other type of filtration? Around here they use chlorine at 2ppm +/-1, I don't even think about it. Total ppm at our source is around 100ppm, no significantly measurable biologicals or other poisons. I have an RO filter for breeding soft water cichlids in the aquarium and drinking water (because my gf likes it that way) but after doing a fair bit of research on water safety I drink water right out of the tap these days and so do my plants. I don't think chloramine evaporates, does it?

Chlorine evaporates and breaks down easily with UV exposure from my understanding, I have filter that claims it removes heavy metals, chlorine, and chloramines. It uses kdf, and gac I think? Id have to check, I just replace it every 6 months. I have contacted my muni water for a water report, and they use chlorine, regardless the filter alleges it address it. My ppm pre filter was around 250, post filter was 150 if memory serves. Total ppm not chlorine only.

Edit: Its also my understanding based on some information at KIS Organics that you can use humics (SP-85 or SP-90) to tie up and bind the chloramines, to prevent them from killing your micros, 1/8tsp per gal, but dont quote me, do your homework.

Additional: I use Berkey filtered water for the indoor when I can, its a slow process, so sometimes I use my garden water. If I use the garden water I bubble it for 24hrs+.

 

[Inferno Mike]

Chlorine evaporates and breaks down easily with UV exposure from my understanding, I have filter that claims it removes heavy metals, chlorine, and chloramines. I have contacted my muni water for a water report, and they use chlorine, regardless the filter alleges ti address it. My ppm pre filter was around 250, post filter was 150 if memory serves. I realize I just started responding without reading through whats been posted.

Chlorine does, it oxidizes so fast that I don't think any of it reaches the roots of my plants. My lawn and trees drink it and they are freaking huge, we have a bunch of big healthy trees, so I figure that's good enough for me. I think chloramine is a different story, but don't know much about it. Thanks!

 

[Inferno Mike]

Chlorine evaporates and breaks down easily with UV exposure from my understanding, I have filter that claims it removes heavy metals, chlorine, and chloramines. It uses kdf, and gac I think? Id have to check, I just replace it every 6 months. I have contacted my muni water for a water report, and they use chlorine, regardless the filter alleges it address it. My ppm pre filter was around 250, post filter was 150 if memory serves. Total ppm not chlorine only.

Edit: Its also my understanding based on some information at KIS Organics that you can use humics (SP-85 or SP-90) to tie up and bind the chloramines, to prevent them from killing your micros, 1/8tsp per gal, but dont quote me, do your homework.

I have a sulfur based de-chlorination product for aquariums, it also binds up chloramines, ammonia, and nitrites. Cool stuff, only takes 1ml per 10 gallons, goes a long way. I don't use it for gardening, but if my water was worse I probably would.

 

[Frimpong]

I have a sulfur based de-chlorination product for aquariums, it also binds up chloramines, ammonia, and nitrites. Cool stuff, only takes 1ml per 10 gallons, goes a long way. I don't use it for gardening, but if my water was worse I probably would.

My tap is pretty chlorinated but it burns off pretty quick when in the open . Prob a couple hours or so and it's ready for plants

 

[Dis]

Chlorine does, it oxidizes so fast that I don't think any of it reaches the roots of my plants. My lawn and trees drink it and they are freaking huge, we have a bunch of big healthy trees, so I figure that's good enough for me. I think chloramine is a different story, but don't know much about it. Thanks!

My blusoak tape is buried under 4 inches of wood chip and vermicompost, so it never really gets a chance to break down, Im basically pumping it right in to my no till rhizosphere, at least thats how it feels to me. No doubt they will grow, but doing a monthly compost tea only to mainline in chlorinated water, seems like an impractical use of my time. In a reservoir surely the drip rate would afford plenty of time to break down, especially if it were bubbled. I want to try doing a drip system for the closet, and had thought about using oxygenated water based on some "bro science" I had read. I look forward to seeing whats coming out of these spaces!

 

[Inferno Mike]

My tap is pretty chlorinated but it burns off pretty quick when in the open . Prob a couple hours or so and it's ready for plants

My understanding that 1 gallon of water with 2ppm of free chlorine takes about 1 hour to oxidize about 90% of the chlorine. Chlorine isn't terrible in those concentrations, anyway, I don't even trip, but I know other folks face different challenges with their water supply.

 

[Frimpong]

My understanding that 1 gallon of water with 2ppm of free chlorine takes about 1 hour to oxidize about 90% of the chlorine. Chlorine isn't terrible in those concentrations, anyway, I don't even trip, but I know other folks face different challenges with their water supply.

Ya true , and I am using promix so it's probably don't even matter for me so much.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Chloramine also evaporates. I have to add more concentrate to my cloner res every couple of days to keep it fresh.

 

[Inferno Mike]

Chloramine also evaporates. I have to add more concentrate to my cloner res every couple of days to keep it fresh.

I used to use chlorine, but I finally went bio-active in cloners, DWC, and I even add a little Great White to my Blumats res nowadays.

 

[MO_Grow]

Chlorine will evaporate and bubble away easily. Why I always have a 5gal bucket bubbling on hand. That is fairly well known/common consensus. Chloramine, on they other hand, from my understanding, does not evaporate so easily. It's a whole different monster and something to be worried about...I think I remember reading something about silicate rendering it innate, and to add it before other elements, but I could be wrong/mistaken without looking back into it. My municiplality only uses chlorine, no chloramine, so I can't really speak from first hand experience, but definitely something to read up on if chloramine is present??

 

[GthaEnigma]

Chlorine in small amounts is actually an essential element for healthy plant growth.

 

[Frimpong]

Chlorine in small amounts is actually an essential element for healthy plant growth.

This is why my plants are doing good lol. Plenty of cal mag too ☺️

 

[Inferno Mike]

Chlorine in small amounts is actually an essential element for healthy plant growth.

100% true, I didn't want to get too smarty pants too soon. The required amount is tiny, like a couple parts per ten billion, it's hard to avoid chlorine at such a low amount, but you are totally correct.

 

[Inferno Mike]

26 days at 14 hours of light, dropped to 12 recently, 33 days since moving to this flowering tent, GPS OBS was a tiny clone if you look back in the thread. Now...

GPS OBS going nuts


Dynasty freebie Cherry Vanilla Skunk x Blue Heron #111


Vegging some of my own Panther Muffin, and Brisco's Bargain Beans Fiona's Crack, for, like, reasons, man.


Dynasty freebie Cherry Vanilla Skunk x Blue Heron #111



Not everything is going perfectly. Acceptable, nonetheless.



Right rear there was formerly a Cookies n Chem F2 that turned out to be a male, CnC are sort of hard to sex. Replaced with a little Eso's Welchie clone that is taking off now. I can't seem to make the Eso's Twinkle Tarts in the front right happy, but she's doing OK. I have two other TTs in the basement grow that are doing much better, more vigorous altogether. Ah, well, probably my error.