Reversing AlienOG

[MO_Grow]

Here's 2 Black Mamba clones that have been getting sprayed w. CS for about 3 weeks. Sisters, and while both were damaged, one is only slightly damaged and has developed what looks will be usable dust in a few days. The other took it harder, and though some nice sacs formed down under, the plant is mostly trashed. Same clones, same regimen - can't explain the results, but will most always use multiple spray receivers going forward to increase odds for success.

The two:
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The successful one, probably:
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The not so good one, mostly fried:
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Man, I've been thinking about this all day. I might have overstepped in my last response to you. I just assumed, without inquiring further, that it was from sticking the wet plants under lights. I simply assumed that because I've yet to see damage from foliars like that on anything other than something that went back under lights before they were ready. After thought, this may have not been the situation, and if not, I apologize for jumping to that conclusion?

Now, moving forward, the spray you used, was it a kit like Red's or did you make it yourself? I ask because the only thing I could possibly think of for damage like that, without the wet under lights scenario, is if the solution was either 'bad', mixed improperly, or simply too strong and the plant just couldn't take it.

I didn't see anything like this in my initial go at this process But you have raised me some concern. Now, with that said, I'm gonna use one or two of those other cuts I have on hand as backup spray recipients just in case something goes south for whatever reason?

 

[Amos Otis]

Man, I've been thinking about this all day. I might have overstepped in my last response to you.

That rarely happens among friends, and didn't in this case. @HydroRed also warns to spray just before lights out, but sometimes that hasn't lined up w/ my personal sleep times. These two were sprayed with store bought CS from Amazon usually about 90 minutes before their dark period. Going forward, all reversal attempts will be synched up to where I can hit them just before dark, as Purple Banana Cakes are being done now.

The good news is that I started plucking pods off the good clone, and found dust along the way, so looks like one in the win column for A O, I'll finish it off tomorrow, and use it in a couple of days if all goes well.

 

[MO_Grow]

Ok, back to the process...

I kinda fucked up the other night and forgot to put her back under lights before I went to bed. So, she stayed the whole night, at least 12 hours, in the dark bathroom... Minus however many times my daughter or I went to the bathroom that night?

Whoopsies!?

But this girl has had a really rough fight in life and is standing greener and stronger than ever. So, I don't think that from one night from a 9w, indirect, light that's a good 6 feet away night is gonna be what does her in. So, she's been hanging out in the flower tent with the big girls. With that being the case, my attempt to speed up the process is to up the frequency of sprays.

So, here she is shortly after application#2

She's almost dry already, but I'm gonna spray her down with plain water for a good rinse. Gonna top dress with some worm castings, maybe a pinch of frass, and give her some freshly chopped leaves and stems for mulching. Then she'll go back under the lights when lights come on in roughly an hour.

I'm excited to finally get this project on the road... Especially after holding this cut for 10+ months now... The stars are finally aligning! Let's go baby!!

 

[MO_Grow]

That rarely happens among friends, and didn't in this case. @HydroRed also warns to spray just before lights out, but sometimes that hasn't lined up w/ my personal sleep times. These two were sprayed with store bought CS from Amazon usually about 90 minutes before their dark period. Going forward, all reversal attempts will be synched up to where I can hit them just before dark, as Purple Banana Cakes are being done now.

The good news is that I started plucking pods off the good clone, and found dust along the way, so looks like one in the win column for A O, I'll finish it off tomorrow, and use it in a couple of days if all goes well.

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I've been plenty guilty of spraying with lights on and/or putting plants that aren't dry enough back under lights that results in damage like this. I would not advise spraying anything with lights on, especially 90 minutes before dark... That's a long time to be sitting wet under lighting, especially full blast...0-90 minutes after dark, of course, that's perfect...90 minutes before lights on, sure that'll work too ? but definitely not 90 before dark for anything foliar, that's a for sure-ski!

The cs, for anyone that's unaware, also degrades very rapidly when exposed to light. Hence the reason most kits come with bottles on the darker side/not clear or see through. I'm thinking in your case that it was a culmination of spraying with lights on and the way the cs reacts to lighting in general. Two big no-no's that can result in disaster.

But, glad to hear you've found at least some viable looking dust so your efforts weren't in vein?

 

[HydroRed]

As Mo mentions about the CS or STS, the light will degrade the Silver in the mix pretty quickly. I mention spraying right before lights out for a couple reasons (that are mentioned already but I'll elaborate further):

1: Silver will degrade in light. The lighting in your spot is much more intense than just regular room lighting or daylight so you can imagine how hard that light is working on degrading your Silver real quick whether it be CS or STS applications. Strong silver content = good ethylene blockage.

2: The water droplets on your plant work like little magnifying glasses cooking the plant material under the droplets which can burn spots and crisp up a plant pretty quickly. Plus the stomata on your leaves are open when the lights are on and if they are wet, they block the offputting of Co2 gasses & moisture that are released when the plants stomata are open when under light. In short, it just interrupts the natural workings of your plant and how it "breathes". When done at lights off, it greatly reduces a lot of this.

If you find that my STS kit is cooking your plant even if you are following the listed suggestions, simply add more water to it for your next spray. Not every plant will react the same to the same mix of spray. Its really no different than figuring out how a plant feeds differently than others plants do from the same soup. You just gotta make some adjustments on the fly sometimes from plant to plant.

 

[Skunky Dunk Farms]

As Mo mentions about the CS or STS, the light will degrade the Silver in the mix pretty quickly. I mention spraying right before lights out for a couple reasons (that are mentioned already but I'll elaborate further):

1: Silver will degrade in light. The lighting in your spot is much more intense than just regular room lighting or daylight so you can imagine how hard that light is working on degrading your Silver real quick whether it be CS or STS applications. Strong silver content = good ethylene blockage.

2: The water droplets on your plant work like little magnifying glasses cooking the plant material under the droplets which can burn spots and crisp up a plant pretty quickly. Plus the stomata on your leaves are open when the lights are on and if they are wet, they block the offputting of Co2 gasses & moisture that are released when the plants stomata are open when under light. In short, it just interrupts the natural workings of your plant and how it "breathes". When done at lights off, it greatly reduces a lot of this.

If you find that my STS kit is cooking your plant even if you are following the listed suggestions, simply add more water to it for your next spray. Not every plant will react the same to the same mix of spray. Its really no different than figuring out how a plant feeds differently than others plants do from the same soup. You just gotta make some adjustments on the fly sometimes from plant to plant.

I have not touched my kit yet @HydroRed but keep up on your recommendations so I'll hopefully be ready.

 

[MO_Grow]

As Mo mentions about the CS or STS, the light will degrade the Silver in the mix pretty quickly. I mention spraying right before lights out for a couple reasons (that are mentioned already but I'll elaborate further):

1: Silver will degrade in light. The lighting in your spot is much more intense than just regular room lighting or daylight so you can imagine how hard that light is working on degrading your Silver real quick whether it be CS or STS applications. Strong silver content = good ethylene blockage.

2: The water droplets on your plant work like little magnifying glasses cooking the plant material under the droplets which can burn spots and crisp up a plant pretty quickly. Plus the stomata on your leaves are open when the lights are on and if they are wet, they block the offputting of Co2 gasses & moisture that are released when the plants stomata are open when under light. In short, it just interrupts the natural workings of your plant and how it "breathes". When done at lights off, it greatly reduces a lot of this.

If you find that my STS kit is cooking your plant even if you are following the listed suggestions, simply add more water to it for your next spray. Not every plant will react the same to the same mix of spray. Its really no different than figuring out how a plant feeds differently than others plants do from the same soup. You just gotta make some adjustments on the fly sometimes from plant to plant.

Excellent breakdown Red, thank you!

 

[MO_Grow]

I still had 5 cuts in solos that just got upped, then got some agsil/silicate and some MykosWP toppings...roots were abundant but didn't look the best being in solos for so long, so this is me making up for that...Rollercoaster much hmmm?!?!

3/4 recycled soil from the kiddy pool, followed by a top layer of fresh bag potting soil.

Then they got topped with worm castings and watered in after this. They look like shit, on the brink, at the moment... but trust the process... No sign of intersex...no matter how haggard they look atm, this is my art, they'll green back up here shortly?

 

[MO_Grow]

And another freshly rooted cutting for backup

 

[Amos Otis]

I just put the top on a 3rd of a vial of pollen - off the uglier clone. How about that !? The good clone was shucked last night. Confidence is high.

 

[MO_Grow]

Scha-wing!

 

[MO_Grow]

Talk about lanky @Texagonian, I thought she was lanky before but this girl is stretching tf out now! And it ain't even over yet!! I had to step further back to get all of her in the frame.

Here's her mug shot for application #3 @ day 7.

It's been a week since first application. I noticed a small amount of bug damage on a leaf here or there...she was sitting next to and touching a flowering plant, at it's near end, that was gaining some bug pressure. So, the bug pressured plant got chopped and, this one, she got doused with a Dr.Bronners concoction last night to clean her back up.

The backups are still all going and gaining some green... some gangrene perhaps?!...nah, quite the opposite! She's looking good and it's growing fast! ?

 

[Texagonian]

Talk about lanky @Texagonian, I thought she was lanky before but this girl is stretching tf out now! And it ain't even over yet!! I had to step further back to get all of her in the frame.

Here's her mug shot for application #3 @ day 7.
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It's been a week since first application. I noticed a small amount of bug damage on a leaf here or there...she was sitting next to and touching a flowering plant, at it's near end, that was gaining some bug pressure. So, the bug pressured plant got chopped and, this one, she got doused with a Dr.Bronners concoction last night to clean her back up.

The backups are still all going and gaining some green... some gangrene perhaps?!...nah, quite the opposite! She's looking good and it's growing fast! ?

Right on Mo! It’s exactly the same with the pheno I have. Like 2 1/2 times stretch on her and like miles between nodes but it sure does produce some nice meds. That shot I posted of mine were about a week and a half after flip. I’ve got 6 of them packed on one side of the tent to help prop themselves up. Next run I may scrog them or tomato cage them and see if I can add anything to them. I’ll get some further along pics posted up and see if we can see some more similarities. Good stuff broski!

 

[Texagonian]

Here ya go @MO_Grow , my alien og lanky bitch stacking up like she does.

 

[Texagonian]

Sorry for the hijack brother, hope the reversal is going good✌?

 

[MO_Grow]

That's a beautiful sight...No hijack involved brother!

Reversal is going smoothly, next update coming soon ?

 

[MO_Grow]

No hiccups yet! Here's the target girl, headed to the bathroom for application#4 here at day #12 since the first spray... She is noticably taller/stretchier by the day!

No signs of reversal just yet.... Only a bunch of stretch and lady parts so far. But those boy parts should start revealing themselves around this time next week or so. I'll spray her down once more again this weekend and then we should be in full RuPaul mode...

Some of the cuttings in the closet getting their green up on

Happy to report that all new growth is green and healthy! They'll be getting hosed down with some Dr. Bronners for cleaning/preventative measures over the next day or so, so that they're good to go and ready to receive when sploog time comes?

 

[MO_Grow]

Figured I'd start recording the stretch on this b'ish.

The stretch is real on this girl! I knew she'd stretch but I was not expecting this shit?

She's at least doubled in the first 2 weeks of 12/12...hope she slows down and stretches out a bit, instead of up, moving forward.

We are at day 15 since first application. I just took a closer look at her tops and it appears like some sacks are starting to form! So, she'll be taking one more trip to the bathroom tonight for her 5th and final application.

Since she'll be removed from this population before sacks start dropping, I'm gonna have to get crafty with where n how I'm gonna pull this off. Being over 3ft tall already, she's already too big to go in the small tent (2x3x5). So I'll either have to clear out the closet completely (where I have an extra foot or two of headroom) and/or finish her off in the bathroom... Unless I bend the shit outta her to make her fit in the tent... I'll have to make that call in the not too distant future here.

With that said, here's a cutting that was the last and smallest to go into solos last week or so (alongside a smaller one that just got solo'd a few days ago...the newly rooted clone from a few posts back)

...she was a bit away from the light in the closet and shot up like crazy...so since I don't wanna deal with this much distance between nodes for flower, or seed making, I'm gonna reverse this cut also for a lil bumper crop of pollen

Things are gonna start to get very interesting here real soon!?

 

[Amos Otis]

We are at day 15 since first application. I just took a closer look at her tops and it appears like some sacks are starting to form! So, she'll be taking one more trip to the bathroom tonight for her 5th and final application.

Do you feel that once evidence of sacs appears, that reversal has occurred and will continue in the male path w/o further sprays? Probably more of a question for those that use CS.

 

[Idlewilder]

Do you feel that once evidence of sacs appears, that reversal has occurred and will continue in the male path w/o further sprays? Probably more of a question for those that use CS.

I’m curious about that as well. It looks like a sac has formed on the apex node on my reversal attempt and she’s due for her fourth spray today