something wicked this way comes!

greyfader

In Bloom
as i mentioned in my intro, i am the inventor of the ppk hydroponic system.

for those unfamiliar with the system it is a combination top fed flood and drain combined with a wick system.

here is a brief technical description i wrote:


A system for plant cultivation consisting of a plant module comprised of an upper container (plant container) for the media and plant, resting upon a lower container which acts as an individual plant reservoir for water and nutrients.
The two containers are connected by a tube attached to the top plant container that is filled with the same media as the plant container.
The media is retained in the tube by a grating at the bottom of the tube.
The tube protrudes from the bottom of the plant container downward into the reservoir container through a hole in the top of the reservoir container.
The bottom end of the tube is constantly immersed in the solution in the lower container providing the plant continuous access to the nutrient solution via the capillary rise capability of the chosen medium.
There is maintained an “air gap” in the reservoir container below each plant.
This “air gap” is an air space in the lower container defined by the water level in this container and the bottom of the plant container.
Typically, with most choices of media the “air gap” should be set at 4-5”.
The perched water table exists on top of the water level in the tube.
The tube from the top plant container protrudes through this air space and into the nutrient solution.
The “air gap” allows the “perched water table” from the plant container to move downward into the tube thereby greatly reducing its volume.
This is because the perched water table exists at the same level or height in any given media regardless of container shape or size.
Therefore, a perched water table in a conventional 5 gallon container occupying approximately 1.5” of the bottom of the container approximately 10” in diameter has a volume of approximately 64 ounces.
The appropriate size tube for a 5 gallon container is 2”. Using the same math we find that the pwt, once moved downward into the tube, occupies a total volume of 2.56 ounces or 4 % of the original volume.
This allows watering with much greater frequency. Watering with greater frequency stimulates plant metabolism.
The “perched water table” is a layer of water containing no air that exists in the bottom of most plant containers immediately after each watering event.
The volume of the pwt in a plant container is a direct function of the particle size of the medium. The finer the particle size distribution the greater the volume of the pwt.
Most commercial plant media choices will produce a pwt immediately after watering.
The pwt can only be eliminated by plant transpiration and evaporation. This can take many hours or even days to accomplish.
This is why you cannot water a plant in a conventional container until it nearly dries out. Too frequent of a watering schedule in conventional containers drowns the plant and/or restricts growth due to hormonal down regulation.
In this design we greatly increase both the frequency and volume of the watering events. We are allowed to do so because we are removing the pwt from the plant container after each watering event.
This increase in frequency accomplishes multiple benefits.
We are refreshing nutrients and ph in the rhizosphere or root zone. Keeping these parameters within a more ideal band than a conventional container can.
We are removing old gases from the root zone and introducing new. Primarily removing co2 and refreshing o2.
The device is irrigated via two methods, providing a tremendous redundancy factor in irrigation and ensuring that harvest schedules can be met without crop failure due to lack of water or nutrients.
The device is top irrigated via a reservoir and pump sending nutrient solution to a watering ring or halo placed at the top of the medium and sub irrigated by the tube protruding into the individual plant reservoirs below each plant.
The tube acts as a drain for excess solution during top watering events and moves solution upwards against the force of gravity via capillary rise between top watering events.
The result is that the plant is presented with an ideal band of growing parameters in the root zone at all times.
This above combination of treatments and effects creates a synergistic plant response that allows the plant to grow without the normal negative hormonal feedback issues that affect plants under water stress events.
Controlling moisture content in most plant containers is a function of watering timing and duration.
Because of the existence of the pwt the conventional container must be almost completely dried down to avoid over watering.
In the conventional container the medium is very wet immediately after watering and very dry right before the next event.
Nutrients cannot be taken up by the plant without the presence of water.
After each watering event gravity grades the moisture profile of the medium. It is drier at the top and wetter at the bottom.
In this device we top irrigate with a frequency sufficient to disrupt the moisture distribution curve thereby keeping the medium more evenly wet than a conventional container over longer periods of time.
This keeps the moisture content and chemical parameters of the container in a constant state of flux, continuously refreshing the interface of water, ph, nutrients, and air.
In this device, unlike conventional containers, we have three tools with which to precision adjust and control moisture content in the root zone.
The first is the duration of each event controlling the total volume delivered.
Second is the interval between events controlling the drying rate.
And lastly, the water level in the individual plant reservoirs under each plant can be controlled by a float valve level control in a master reservoir that feeds the individual plant reservoirs.
This ability to fine tune the overall water level in the system precision sets the total water distribution curve in the plant containers, allowing the operator to make the entire system operate drier or wetter as desired.

The overall system is a recirculating, closed loop fertigation system with no drain to waste comprised of a master reservoir that is fed by gravity from an elevated volume tank that is premixed with nutrients.
The solution is fed to the recirculating part from the volume tank on demand through float valves as the solution is used by the plants or evaporated.
The nutrient strength is determined by the rate of use and in practice can be balanced precisely so that consumption of nutrients is stable at all times.
We are feeding a stable, premixed solution to a stable, premixed solution so that there is extreme long-term solution stability.
This is in contrast to most recirculating plant cultivation schemes that require either frequent nutrient changes or expensive nutrient dosing technology.
The solution is recirculated by a pump or pumps that move solution from the supply side of the system to the return side in an arterial/venal fashion.
The pumps only operate long enough to deliver a pulsed application of solution to the top of the medium. Typical pump runtime is 6 minutes per day.
When the pumps fire the prescribed amount of solution is delivered from the supply side of the system in a short burst, typically 15 seconds.
This brings the water level in the supply side down. Gravity immediately begins leveling the supply side by drawing solution from the master reservoir.
At the same time, the solution that is applied to the top of the medium travels through the medium and on through the tube into the individual plant reservoirs below each plant. This brings the solution level up in the return side up and gravity immediately begins to bring the level down again.
The system is basically self-leveling after each irrigation event. The only energy input required for full recirculation are very energy efficient aquarium type pumps running typically only 6 minutes per day.
 

greyfader

In Bloom
if it's ok i will show some of the plants i have grown in this system.

these first 2 are purple mesa cbd.

the flowering room has 480 plants. each row contains 48 plants. 4 to a 5x5 with a 720 watt led array over each 5x5.

each plant in a 3.5 gal bucket vegged 3 weeks.

perpetual harvest with 1 to 2 48 plant racks coming down every week.

25-30 lbs per week, depending on strain
 

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greyfader

In Bloom
how about some thc!

these are a few of the plants i grew in my facility in eugene, oregon.
 

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greyfader

In Bloom
in the above pics there is only one plant per 5x5 frame with a single sunlight supply de over each. this was my last effort with hps.

can't tell you the names of most but the one with the pointy flowers is called wreckage. trainwreck x sage. 3-3.5 lbs every time.

thought some of you might get a kick out of these pics of sweet tooth #4. this was my first effort using coco.

this was 2011, two years after i began experimenting with this device.

this was grown with the weak side flattened against the wall without rotation in between two bare vertical hps.

nothing but jack's @ 600 ppm at the .5 conversion, atami b'cuzz, and the ppk system.

no additives, boosters, or magic.
 

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greyfader

In Bloom
i know some of you are wondering why i was growing plants this large.

i don't recommend growing huge plants unless;

you live in dumbfuckistan and have medieval laws and penalties involving plant counts.

you live in a legal state like oregon but were forced to grow under medical rules instead of recreational. again, plant count limitations but no size limits so i wore them out pushing the rules to the limits.

in the legal cbd world we don't have plant count limits so i grew 4 plants to a 5x5 with a 3 week veg.

the single plants in 5x5's take approx 7 weeks vegging to get to size but i didn't have veg count limits and i had lots of space.

some of it was just crazy experimenting. just to see what happens.
 

greyfader

In Bloom
so now i'm going to make some wild sounding claims!

this device does not require chillers! i run solution temps 80-86f all the time and never get root rot!

it is the only closed loop recirculating hydro system that i know of that functions just fine outdoors in 100f heat.

it is extraordinarily stable over long periods of time in regards to ph and ec.

i have gone 8 months in the oregon room above without changing solution. plant after plant, week after week.

there is no automatic, timed, dumping of the reservoir.

it is the most conservative system i know of using water and nutrients
 

greyfader

In Bloom
what is not apparent in the pics is the speed of growth.

i have done every form of hydro with the exception of aeroponics.

this system will grow plants as fast or faster than a properly set up rdwc operated by a master hydroponicist. several inches per day.

no chillers, no high speed water movement, no airstones. slo-mo-hydro!

salt accumulation does not happen in this device. in a purely top watered container salts will accumulate in the bottom of the media. in a purely bottom watered container salts accumulate in the top of the media.

in this device there is no salt accumulation in the media because the medium is both top and sub-irrigated. the medium never dries down.

so diffusion never stops.
 

greyfader

In Bloom
the ppk device is not a single build. it is a flow plan that works with any size grow.

i have a friend in canada that grows 120 day flowering sativas in a little armoire.

we have lots of people in tents of course, although i have never grown in one.

then every size room and plant you can imagine.
 

greyfader

In Bloom
one of my friends "flower farmer" and one of his rooms! this was his first ppk grow although he was already a very highly skilled grower.
 

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jaguarlax

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as i mentioned in my intro, i am the inventor of the ppk hydroponic system.

for those unfamiliar with the system it is a combination top fed flood and drain combined with a wick system.

here is a brief technical description i wrote:


A system for plant cultivation consisting of a plant module comprised of an upper container (plant container) for the media and plant, resting upon a lower container which acts as an individual plant reservoir for water and nutrients.
The two containers are connected by a tube attached to the top plant container that is filled with the same media as the plant container.
The media is retained in the tube by a grating at the bottom of the tube.
The tube protrudes from the bottom of the plant container downward into the reservoir container through a hole in the top of the reservoir container.
The bottom end of the tube is constantly immersed in the solution in the lower container providing the plant continuous access to the nutrient solution via the capillary rise capability of the chosen medium.
There is maintained an “air gap” in the reservoir container below each plant.
This “air gap” is an air space in the lower container defined by the water level in this container and the bottom of the plant container.
Typically, with most choices of media the “air gap” should be set at 4-5”.
The perched water table exists on top of the water level in the tube.
The tube from the top plant container protrudes through this air space and into the nutrient solution.
The “air gap” allows the “perched water table” from the plant container to move downward into the tube thereby greatly reducing its volume.
This is because the perched water table exists at the same level or height in any given media regardless of container shape or size.
Therefore, a perched water table in a conventional 5 gallon container occupying approximately 1.5” of the bottom of the container approximately 10” in diameter has a volume of approximately 64 ounces.
The appropriate size tube for a 5 gallon container is 2”. Using the same math we find that the pwt, once moved downward into the tube, occupies a total volume of 2.56 ounces or 4 % of the original volume.
This allows watering with much greater frequency. Watering with greater frequency stimulates plant metabolism.
The “perched water table” is a layer of water containing no air that exists in the bottom of most plant containers immediately after each watering event.
The volume of the pwt in a plant container is a direct function of the particle size of the medium. The finer the particle size distribution the greater the volume of the pwt.
Most commercial plant media choices will produce a pwt immediately after watering.
The pwt can only be eliminated by plant transpiration and evaporation. This can take many hours or even days to accomplish.
This is why you cannot water a plant in a conventional container until it nearly dries out. Too frequent of a watering schedule in conventional containers drowns the plant and/or restricts growth due to hormonal down regulation.
In this design we greatly increase both the frequency and volume of the watering events. We are allowed to do so because we are removing the pwt from the plant container after each watering event.
This increase in frequency accomplishes multiple benefits.
We are refreshing nutrients and ph in the rhizosphere or root zone. Keeping these parameters within a more ideal band than a conventional container can.
We are removing old gases from the root zone and introducing new. Primarily removing co2 and refreshing o2.
The device is irrigated via two methods, providing a tremendous redundancy factor in irrigation and ensuring that harvest schedules can be met without crop failure due to lack of water or nutrients.
The device is top irrigated via a reservoir and pump sending nutrient solution to a watering ring or halo placed at the top of the medium and sub irrigated by the tube protruding into the individual plant reservoirs below each plant.
The tube acts as a drain for excess solution during top watering events and moves solution upwards against the force of gravity via capillary rise between top watering events.
The result is that the plant is presented with an ideal band of growing parameters in the root zone at all times.
This above combination of treatments and effects creates a synergistic plant response that allows the plant to grow without the normal negative hormonal feedback issues that affect plants under water stress events.
Controlling moisture content in most plant containers is a function of watering timing and duration.
Because of the existence of the pwt the conventional container must be almost completely dried down to avoid over watering.
In the conventional container the medium is very wet immediately after watering and very dry right before the next event.
Nutrients cannot be taken up by the plant without the presence of water.
After each watering event gravity grades the moisture profile of the medium. It is drier at the top and wetter at the bottom.
In this device we top irrigate with a frequency sufficient to disrupt the moisture distribution curve thereby keeping the medium more evenly wet than a conventional container over longer periods of time.
This keeps the moisture content and chemical parameters of the container in a constant state of flux, continuously refreshing the interface of water, ph, nutrients, and air.
In this device, unlike conventional containers, we have three tools with which to precision adjust and control moisture content in the root zone.
The first is the duration of each event controlling the total volume delivered.
Second is the interval between events controlling the drying rate.
And lastly, the water level in the individual plant reservoirs under each plant can be controlled by a float valve level control in a master reservoir that feeds the individual plant reservoirs.
This ability to fine tune the overall water level in the system precision sets the total water distribution curve in the plant containers, allowing the operator to make the entire system operate drier or wetter as desired.

The overall system is a recirculating, closed loop fertigation system with no drain to waste comprised of a master reservoir that is fed by gravity from an elevated volume tank that is premixed with nutrients.
The solution is fed to the recirculating part from the volume tank on demand through float valves as the solution is used by the plants or evaporated.
The nutrient strength is determined by the rate of use and in practice can be balanced precisely so that consumption of nutrients is stable at all times.
We are feeding a stable, premixed solution to a stable, premixed solution so that there is extreme long-term solution stability.
This is in contrast to most recirculating plant cultivation schemes that require either frequent nutrient changes or expensive nutrient dosing technology.
The solution is recirculated by a pump or pumps that move solution from the supply side of the system to the return side in an arterial/venal fashion.
The pumps only operate long enough to deliver a pulsed application of solution to the top of the medium. Typical pump runtime is 6 minutes per day.
When the pumps fire the prescribed amount of solution is delivered from the supply side of the system in a short burst, typically 15 seconds.
This brings the water level in the supply side down. Gravity immediately begins leveling the supply side by drawing solution from the master reservoir.
At the same time, the solution that is applied to the top of the medium travels through the medium and on through the tube into the individual plant reservoirs below each plant. This brings the solution level up in the return side up and gravity immediately begins to bring the level down again.
The system is basically self-leveling after each irrigation event. The only energy input required for full recirculation are very energy efficient aquarium type pumps running typically only 6 minutes per day.
Welcome @delta9nxs, hell of a setup you got there. Thanks for sharing with us, enjoy the forum!
 

greyfader

In Bloom
thank you!
I live here ? ^^
Born and raised 6th generations
mississippi or alabama?

i've always said that if they were to give the united states an enema they would stick it in mississippi! but they could do bank shots off of alabama, arkansas, louisiana, and tennessee.

i can say anything i want about miss. and ala. because i come from 200 years of dumbass, redneck, moonshiners, and dirt farmers from both states.

bunch of rascists from hell that i have absolutely nothing in common with. i haven't seen any of them in over 35 years.

i grew up in a navy family and so managed to escape the bigotry. i played with kids from all over the world. went to 17 different schools from 1st to 10th grade, when i quit because i was making so much money selling weed.

we don't have time to hate in this life!
 

greyfader

In Bloom
I bet I could really maximize our space with a vertical grow like this. We need to try this @RitaBonita420

Great stuff!! Thank you for sharing.
hi, well i could have patented the device back in 2008 but it was pre liver-transplant for me and i didn't know if i was going to live much longer. i had hepc most of my adult life and didn't know it until symptoms developed at age 50. 5 years later i was diagnosed terminal with a 4cm hepato cellular carcinoma. they managed to stall it until transplant and took it out with the liver.

all this is a long-winded way of saying that my involvement with growing began for medical reasons and the device was intended to relieve my and other human sufferings to the extent possible with cannabis.

and that i decided to give it away rather than monetize it with some big corporation.

sharing it has opened doors for me that i would have never gotten close to otherwise.

i have made a shitton of money over the years with it anyway because of these connections.

i just finished the 3 year cbd effort in nashville which was my only regular, salaried job growing. i was very well paid!

i do charge small design fees depending on the size of the project. fees are not set and i like the barter system.

so, if you like, we could start a design for you.

as of this point in time there are thousands of people using this system all over the world.

bunch of folks in the uk and eu. moscow. buenas aires, tokyo, tibet, philipines. south africa. and of course the u.s. and canada.

it is not marketed by anyone for a bunch of reasons. no one else can patent it as it has been in the public domain for almost 13 years. i filed a utility application on it and it is on file with pics and full descriptions. but did not pursue the actual patent.

also, almost all of it is built with home depot, lowes, and walmart shit and they can't make a fancy piece of plastic cheap enough to compete with buckets and tubs and garden hoses.

i replaced a bunch of undercurrents with my system in oregon.

let me know your requirements and space available. what lighting you have and i will design for you.

i'm a famous cheap bastard who is very much into finding cheap, low tech solutions to high tech problems.
 
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