Who loves fishing ?
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That was a rather quick expedition. Whoops.
Finally got back to the river. It's still mostly iced up, but there's a lot more open water than last time. I got geared up and fished for maybe 1/2 an hour, not long enough to have pulled out the pipe anyway, when I remembered.
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In this province, fishing licenses expire on April 1 and I hadn't yet picked up my new one. I frantically packed up and got away from the water before a fish cop could show up.
(Sad but strangely inevitable note: since last time when I posted about chasing some teenagers off the river ice, a guy who was old enough to know better went out to try to save a stranger's dog and lost his own life. I include the link for credibility. Don't click unless you want your day ruined)
globalnews.ca
Finally got back to the river. It's still mostly iced up, but there's a lot more open water than last time. I got geared up and fished for maybe 1/2 an hour, not long enough to have pulled out the pipe anyway, when I remembered.
?In this province, fishing licenses expire on April 1 and I hadn't yet picked up my new one. I frantically packed up and got away from the water before a fish cop could show up.
(Sad but strangely inevitable note: since last time when I posted about chasing some teenagers off the river ice, a guy who was old enough to know better went out to try to save a stranger's dog and lost his own life. I include the link for credibility. Don't click unless you want your day ruined)
Man dies after being swept away during dog rescue on North Saskatchewan River - Edmonton | Globalnews.ca
'It is with great sadness that I confirm that the individual involved in today's river rescue has not been located and we have since called off the search,' Joe Zatylny said.
globalnews.ca
thenotsoesoteric
American Ninja
Thats a bummer.That was a rather quick expedition. Whoops.
Finally got back to the river. It's still mostly iced up, but there's a lot more open water than last time. I got geared up and fished for maybe 1/2 an hour, not long enough to have pulled out the pipe anyway, when I remembered.
In this province, fishing licenses expire on April 1 and I hadn't yet picked up my new one. I frantically packed up and got away from the water before a fish cop could show up.
(Sad but strangely inevitable note: since last time when I posted about chasing some teenagers off the river ice, a guy who was old enough to know better went out to try to save a stranger's dog and lost his own life. I include the link for credibility. Don't click unless you want your day ruined)
Man dies after being swept away during dog rescue on North Saskatchewan River - Edmonton | Globalnews.ca
'It is with great sadness that I confirm that the individual involved in today's river rescue has not been located and we have since called off the search,' Joe Zatylny said.
Ramjet159
pHeno pHisher
Fishing license? This one has always bothered me . I probably could accept paying a fee if the money was accounted for going into management and presentation of the fish stocks rather than just another tax absorbed into the big bad revenue pool . All our states pay a fishing license except the one I live in so far . I’m surprised we don’t pay a rain water tax yet . I say yet !!!That was a rather quick expedition. Whoops.
Finally got back to the river. It's still mostly iced up, but there's a lot more open water than last time. I got geared up and fished for maybe 1/2 an hour, not long enough to have pulled out the pipe anyway, when I remembered.
In this province, fishing licenses expire on April 1 and I hadn't yet picked up my new one. I frantically packed up and got away from the water before a fish cop could show up.
(Sad but strangely inevitable note: since last time when I posted about chasing some teenagers off the river ice, a guy who was old enough to know better went out to try to save a stranger's dog and lost his own life. I include the link for credibility. Don't click unless you want your day ruined)
Man dies after being swept away during dog rescue on North Saskatchewan River - Edmonton | Globalnews.ca
'It is with great sadness that I confirm that the individual involved in today's river rescue has not been located and we have since called off the search,' Joe Zatylny said.
thenotsoesoteric
American Ninja
Most states here in US do put that money towards management of waters and fish population. But it is bureaucracy so I'm sure not 100% of funds go to what they're supposed too.
In Oregon they take fish population and environmental concerns pretty serious and charge 3x what Illinois does for a fishing license. License is $35 or more then you gotta get a salmon stamp if you want to fish for salmon.
Ramjet159
pHeno pHisher
I think it’s excellent being pro active and not reactive to fish stocks and management. By sheer population alone you’d have more pressure on your domestic fish stocks as well . Our Southern Prawn fishery is regarded as a template worldwide for management of stocks . To their credit the fishermen took the initiative and helped implement heavy conservative management of the fishery well before any damage was done . It’s been fully sustainable for 70 odd years as a trawl fishery
thenotsoesoteric
American Ninja
Thats what it takes, the public being active vs regulations and bureaucracy doing what they "think" is beneficial.
The final follow-up. Body found, identity confirmed.
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Yeah, fishing license fees are supposed to go toward managing fisheries, but I suspect it ends up in the "General Revenue" pile.
We don't have a lot of fishable water in proportion to our population here, so management is vital. Unfortunately, it seems like the Minister in charge of this is rarely an outdoorsman who understands what he's supposed to be managing.
Body found in North Saskatchewan River is man lost trying to rescue stranger's dog
Edmonton city police have confirmed that a body discovered in the North Saskatchewan River Friday was that of a man who went missing after trying to rescue a…
Yeah, fishing license fees are supposed to go toward managing fisheries, but I suspect it ends up in the "General Revenue" pile.
We don't have a lot of fishable water in proportion to our population here, so management is vital. Unfortunately, it seems like the Minister in charge of this is rarely an outdoorsman who understands what he's supposed to be managing.
Ramjet159
pHeno pHisher
So typical of most political parties which are all basically just a boys club of internal favours for career progression and promotion and hence you end up with some twit with no background or knowledge in a certain position of ministership fumbling their way through it .The final follow-up. Body found, identity confirmed.
Body found in North Saskatchewan River is man lost trying to rescue stranger's dog
Edmonton city police have confirmed that a body discovered in the North Saskatchewan River Friday was that of a man who went missing after trying to rescue a…
Yeah, fishing license fees are supposed to go toward managing fisheries, but I suspect it ends up in the "General Revenue" pile.
We don't have a lot of fishable water in proportion to our population here, so management is vital. Unfortunately, it seems like the Minister in charge of this is rarely an outdoorsman who understands what he's supposed to be managing.
Basically the more important you are to the ruling party, the higher the visibility of the Minister's Title within the Cabinet. For example, the Finance Minister is under no expectation of being the most qualified in matters of finance, rather, that person would instead be one of the Premier's most trusted cronies.
Looking after sportsfishing doesn't tend to be assigned to the most ambitious or powerful of the lot, and it ranks far down the list of priorities beyond how to most effectively empty the wallets of fishermen.
I think I heard 35 for an Oregon License. Cali is about double that and more a source of revenue for the state than the state putting the money back into the fishery. We also have these Mlpa sites, basically the state has taken the best spots and closed them to fishing. This is in the ocean. I am totally for conversation, but why totally close an area. How about forming a grid system and closing areas for a period of time until the area recovers from over fishing and then reopen it. But the conservations do not see itt that way. The State has a really good way of finding out the best fishing spots. They get these college kids to ask you if you caught any fish and if you cooperate they will measure your fish and ask where you caught the fish. So I just say I did not catch any fish, they are not actually wardens so they cannot do anything. But the wardens where sure out the first week of the year to check lisences.
Yeah, the regional closures don't make much sense to me since so many species are migratory. The best management practices to me are targeted size limits and education. I actually went to school for wildlife biology and minored in fisheries management. I wrote my undergrad thesis on utilizing local fisherman's knowledge in management practices and doing a better job of working with fisherman to make management decisions instead of just making decisions in a vacuum like we currently do. Like, I'm a huge proponent of an upper limit on stripers where I live. Having a minimum size limit is completely counterintuitive to their actual biology. There are millions of schoolies, because that's where they naturally have the highest mortality rate anyways. Meanwhile, there are very few cows, which are exclusively breeding females. So forcing people to only keep the largest fish means your targeting the smallest portion of the population that also produces the most new fish into the population. It's the polar opposite of logical. And then if you ask any local fisherman, they don't even want the big fish, cause they taste worse and honestly the little guys have more fight in them.
Don't get me wrong, it's fun to grab a picture of a 50" fish you caught... but I'm happy to put that gal back.
One thing they do here that is wise, imo (one of the few), is to close most of our lakes during the late winter/early spring when the big female walleye and pike come in shallow to spawn. As you say, the big girls are the most valuable part of the entire chain, and protecting them when they are the most vulnerable is vital to maintaining populations.
An added bonus is that fewer cowboy cadillacs (and their cowboys) need to be pulled through the ice, since this means the lakes are closed during break-up.
I am aware of some species being migratory and others are not so. Can you tell me if Rock fish are migratory? Halibut? Also I have read that yellow tall (part of the Jack family) are migratory as adolescents and later in life they become settled into an area. I want to say this is where the term home guard comes from. You have a lot more knowledge on this stuff than I do and I am curious about it.
Im admittedly not as familiar with West coast fisheries. When you say rockfish do you mean striped bass? Rockfish is one of those terms that means a lot of different species depending on where you are in the world. Sometimes it's striped bass. Sometimes it's members of the scorpionfish family. In Florida some people call certain groupers rockfish.
Halibut are highly migratory when young but they can become less transient later in life. But they usually still travel a large range looking for food. Yellowtail I believe are actually migratory throughout their life as the y are a schooling fish. They travel a huge range up and down the west coast chasing baitfish as ocean temps change throughout the year
Edit: which isn't to say some yellowtail populations don't find a place to post up. East coast stripers are considered a migratory species but as ocean temps rise were seeing more and more holdovers. There's an entire population that just lives in the Chesapeake year round now, and even up where I am we had some overwintering fish this year which is crazy unusual
Ramjet159
pHeno pHisher
It’s become apparent in our Tuna fishing industry as well the fisherman are now gathering and penning schools up to 400 miles difference from traditional fishing grounds as the species habits are changing . Obviously it’s not beneficial to the planet but it has been to the fisherman as they’re now fishing much closer to home port rather than steam for a few days to get to the fishing grounds . Overall the fish stocks have increased after a low point during the early 80s with major implementation of worldwide southern quota systems but the average size of the fish has decreased . I think it’ll take generations if ever we see those huge breeders in our seas again as the lag affect from the damage done is significant. These fish take decades to reach that size
thenotsoesoteric
American Ninja
Thats always what I was told and taught by my Uncle and older fishing friends, keep the smaller fish and release the lunkers. Those big females are worth their weight in gold!
And, the little ones taste better. It's a no-brainer if people can get past the ego bump of taking home a hawg.
thenotsoesoteric
American Ninja
I like the replicas you can buy. You take a picture of the fish and measurements and they send you a fake trophy fish that looks legit!
Or at least they used to do that in 90s early 2000s. I remember Roland Martin plugging them on his old TV show in the 90s.
Ramjet159
pHeno pHisher
Yep I know have trophies on my wall of shark jaws and Barracuda jaws etc that were at the time the acceptable by most tradition of holding memories and sharing stories . That was 30-40 years ago . It messes with me a little at times knowing some would see it as probably not acceptable but it’s part of my life story and history so regardless I’ll never change that . I’ve never extinguished life unnecessarily and I never will , I was however part of industries that had bycatch from poor fishing methods . Thankfully nowadays it’s much better regulated and adaptions have been made to mitigate the risk .
