WillieP's World

MO_Grow

Underground Chucker
What up gang??
I've not been good about keeping up my journal of late, sorry.
There is a lot going on in WillieP's World.
The two plants in flower are taking way longer to fully mature that I thought they were going to. I was thinking the 2nd or 3rd week of Feb, and we are well past that. The MNTxAB is starting to show some amber, but the BB is still just cloudy. I just checked with a scope yesterday. (you can also see the seed development on MNLxAB)
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The BB still has a ways to go I believe...
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In next crop news...
I am experimenting with some different growing techniques, I am growing the new plants in three different mediums. Soil. Hempy. and at the moment aeroponics. (those plants will be changed over to E&F)
These two M99 plants will be grown in soil for the Botany 357 class that I am taking.
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This shot shows the other 4 plants I have going. 2 in the aeroponic bucket, and 2 in 3 1/2 gallon hempy buckets.
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And a root porn shot just for fun.
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I am trying different things in an attempt to become a better grower.
(this bit is more for me that anyone else)
I believe that I would not use hempy starter solo cups again, they seemed to take off very slowly.
I have learned to soak the perlite in a bucket of PH'd water before use to stabilize it.
I would start with rapid rooters in the aeroponic bucket till the roots have developed to the point I would like, then transplant over to the other medium(s).
The hempy bucket method is still unproven, time will tell.

Hope your grows are going well,
WillieP

PS
I just ordered the aluminum angle to build a couple DIY strip lights. There will be two of them, 2x4 at 254 watts each.
Trichs look ripe to me bud, Nice job!!
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Trichs look ripe to me bud, Nice job!!
Thanks MO!
Actually that trich shot was from the MNLxAB and I have pulled the plug on that one.
Trying something different this time. I am choosing to hang the plant whole this time, so I decided to just let it die from thirst.
I haven't watered it in 2 days and will have a look at it after work tomorrow night and see if I want to give it the chop at that time.
This may or may not be a good idea, I guess we will see.
Those 2 M99's I have in soil certainly look good, and the 1 in the hempy is my fault, (not it's), but it is starting to come out of it.
Cheers,
WillieP
 

MO_Grow

Underground Chucker
Thanks MO!
Actually that trich shot was from the MNLxAB and I have pulled the plug on that one.
Trying something different this time. I am choosing to hang the plant whole this time, so I decided to just let it die from thirst.
I haven't watered it in 2 days and will have a look at it after work tomorrow night and see if I want to give it the chop at that time.
This may or may not be a good idea, I guess we will see.
Those 2 M99's I have in soil certainly look good, and the 1 in the hempy is my fault, (not it's), but it is starting to come out of it.
Cheers,
WillieP
You won't be sorry hanging whole plant bro! I like to let em dry out a bit before cutting also, hang em whole, and wait to trim till the fan leaves crumble away nicely/easily... Usually anywhere from 7-14 days in my parts/setup depending on strain, density, and current environment. I agree, the M99 do look good too! Hope they perform for ya in the end and reward you with a bountiful harvest?
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Well boys and girls, the MNLxAB got the ax today.
I tried something a little different this round. I wanted to hang the plant whole, so I figured I would just stop watering her and see how that went.
I discontinued the watering/feeding 3 days ago, and chopped her today.
(still have a little to go on the BB)
Kinda looks strange with all the wilted fan leaves, she does have some pretty color though...
You can see that she is going to be seedy, but I only consume edibles anyway, so the seeds aren't a huge deal for me. (and maybe the seeds will produce something amazing someday.) IMG_7772.JPG
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Cheers,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Well it looks like I will have a butt pot full, (technical term), of feminized seeds.
Maybe this will be the perfect strain for me and I will be wanting a bunch of seeds!

It was pretty frosty. I trimmed (dry) over a mirror just to see..
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I will run all the trimmings over a screen to see what I get.

The finger hash was just a bonus...
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Cheers,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
So I ran the leftovers though a trim screen and this is what I got...
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This will be the first time I get to play with kief, so I'm pretty excited.
I gave that little finger hash ball to a buddy of mine with the agreement that I would receive a full report of how it was in return.
I'm guessing that the same thing will happen with this, as I don't smoke.

Cheers,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Good Morning All!!
If you are celebrating today's holiday, then I wish you a Happy Easter!
It's been a bit since I last updated, I only had two plants in flower and they are both harvested.
The first was the Missouri Northern Lights X Atomic Bomb, and the second was the Bruce banner.
The one review I have received on the BB was, "top notch weed". so that was a good sign.

I am in the Veg period now, not much exciting going on.
These 4 plants are as follows, left to right.
Pineapple Express, Grape ape, M99, and Blue Dream
All are receiving the same nutrient levels, although 2 are in E and F, and 2 are in Hempy.
Interesting to see the stark difference in strains, especially between the PE and the BD.
Does anyone have experience with PE, is it always that leggy?
(same light and environment as the others)

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Other that that these are a few clones that I am taking for a friend that is just getting started.
You know, sharing the love...

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Cheers All,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
Who's Pineapple Express? Is it the G13 labs one? I don't have personal experience either way, but I just grabbed a pack so I will soon lol. Definitely going to be following along for certain. Always good to see you drop in by the way!
My Man GC,
I unfortunately can't say who's PE this is. I had these seeds gifted to me.
It's just crazy how long and leggy this plant is, especially compared to the Blue Dream, as I said.

I mentioned I am starting some plants for a friends first grow...

The little plants that I have started are as follows:
AK-47 Seedling and Clone
Maui Wowie Seedling
White Widow Seedling
Super Silver Haze Clone
Blue Dream Clone
M-99 Clone (thanks @MO_Grow)
Grape Ape Clone
Pineapple Express Clone

Some are at different stages of development, but I have another 10 days till I turn them over, so I think it will be fine.
I wanted them to be able to start off well with healthy plants.

Thanks for the kind words GC!!
Cheers,
WillieP
 

WillieP

In Bloom
We all know you can never have to many lights, right??
2 x 4, 14 - 3500K strips, 235.2 watts (actual power)
I'm going to make two of these for a 5x5 flower tent.
I will flower out a set of plants and see if I want to add more deep red or far red. This will be the first time using a UV light as well, it's a single 4 foot T5 lamp, and I will run it just a few minutes several times during the light cycle.
Cheers,
WillieP
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WillieP

In Bloom
Guys and Gals,
WillieP needs a little advice from the PH brain trust.
I currently have 4 plant (4 different strains) that were flipped on the 16th, 6 days ago.
3 out of 4 of them are showing signs of being male. I will wait a few more days to be sure.
I have had this happen to one other plant, so apparently I do not know how to read pre flowers for the sexing of a plant.
I am not overly experienced, and I started with feminized seeds.
I would like to be able to not put 8 plus weeks of effort into a plant just to have to throw it away.
I only know of two ways of positively avoid this.
One would be to use feminized seeds. (however I have a fair amount of regular seeds)
And the other would be to clone the plants in question and flip them till they show sex.
Am I missing something??
Do you experienced growers have a system of sexing your regular seed plants that I am unaware of?
Just for what it's worth, I can't just plant tons of seeds and cull out the males, I have a 5 plant count maximum.
If someone can tell me how to avoid this in the future, I'm all ears. I'm pretty butthurt at the moment.
Thanks for any input.
Cheers,
WillieP
 

Gentlemancorpse

Cannabis Chaotician
Staff member
Moderator
Guys and Gals,
WillieP needs a little advice from the PH brain trust.
I currently have 4 plant (4 different strains) that were flipped on the 16th, 6 days ago.
3 out of 4 of them are showing signs of being male. I will wait a few more days to be sure.
I have had this happen to one other plant, so apparently I do not know how to read pre flowers for the sexing of a plant.
I am not overly experienced, and I started with feminized seeds.
I would like to be able to not put 8 plus weeks of effort into a plant just to have to throw it away.
I only know of two ways of positively avoid this.
One would be to use feminized seeds. (however I have a fair amount of regular seeds)
And the other would be to clone the plants in question and flip them till they show sex.
Am I missing something??
Do you experienced growers have a system of sexing your regular seed plants that I am unaware of?
Just for what it's worth, I can't just plant tons of seeds and cull out the males, I have a 5 plant count maximum.
If someone can tell me how to avoid this in the future, I'm all ears. I'm pretty butthurt at the moment.
Thanks for any input.
Cheers,
WillieP

When I was more limited on space I would run my plants in veg for just a week or even 12/12 from seed until they showed sex then cull the males and flip the girls back to veg. It slows your overall timeline down by about a week depending on the strain, while the plants revert back to vegging, but still beat getting hosed with all males...

Now I veg for so long most plants distinctly show sex. This is why states need to reassess plant counts. You should be able to have 5 juvenile plants and 5 adults, especially because this is medicine for so many growers...

Edit: well really I think you should be able to grow whatever the heck you want, but an expanded plant count just seems logical even from the states perspective
 

WillieP

In Bloom
When I was more limited on space I would run my plants in veg for just a week or even 12/12 from seed until they showed sex then cull the males and flip the girls back to veg. It slows your overall timeline down by about a week depending on the strain, while the plants revert back to vegging, but still beat getting hosed with all males...

Now I veg for so long most plants distinctly show sex. This is why states need to reassess plant counts. You should be able to have 5 juvenile plants and 5 adults, especially because this is medicine for so many growers...

Edit: well really I think you should be able to grow whatever the heck you want, but an expanded plant count just seems logical even from the states perspective
So GC, let me pick your brain.
I can only have 5 plants, but by the rules here, a plant is not counted until it reaches 5 inches tall.
So if I sow more seeds that I really need, let them get up say 3-4 inches and then flip to 12/12.
Will the seedlings show sex at that point? I thought there was a thing about a seedling having to reach sexual maturity before it would show sex. (Asking cause I don't know) My assumption was that the plants would be to big, over the 5 inches, before they would show male or female.
I thought the advantage in cloning and then flipping the clone would be that the clone would be the same age as the plant it was taken from, so that even if it was really small, it would be mature enough to show sex when flipped.
I've never grown in 12/12 from seed, or flipped anything that was really young.
Fill me in Cowboy...I'm clueless!
Thanks.
WillieP
 

Gentlemancorpse

Cannabis Chaotician
Staff member
Moderator
So GC, let me pick your brain.
I can only have 5 plants, but by the rules here, a plant is not counted until it reaches 5 inches tall.
So if I sow more seeds that I really need, let them get up say 3-4 inches and then flip to 12/12.
Will the seedlings show sex at that point? I thought there was a thing about a seedling having to reach sexual maturity before it would show sex. (Asking cause I don't know) My assumption was that the plants would be to big, over the 5 inches, before they would show male or female.
I thought the advantage in cloning and then flipping the clone would be that the clone would be the same age as the plant it was taken from, so that even if it was really small, it would be mature enough to show sex when flipped.
I've never grown in 12/12 from seed, or flipped anything that was really young.
Fill me in Cowboy...I'm clueless!
Thanks.
WillieP

For sure man! So plants tend to show sex quicker when they are fully mature but you can still force them to show earlier. So if you veg until you start seeing alternating branching instead of symmetrical then flip you usually see pistils or sacs within a mateer of days. When I was only vegging a couple weeks or less they wouldn't show sex for closer to a month if I remember correctly. But they keep growing during that month so it's not like you lose a ton of time. Then I'd usually veg them for another 4-5 weeks to get the size I wanted at the time and then flip them back. Many growers do prefer waiting until they see sexual maturity in a plant before flipping it but hey, sometimes you have to work with what you got...

So in your shoes personally I'd probabky start my 5 plants and flip at 2 weeks of veg, then two weeks later I'd start at 3 or four more (because statistically just shy of 60% of cannabis plants are female, or so I've been told) to replace the inevitable males. Obviously sometimes you'll have really terrible luck and still get too many males but that should ensure more often than not you'll get 4-5 good females
 

Gentlemancorpse

Cannabis Chaotician
Staff member
Moderator
I also slightly misread your post (finished off the Panama Goo!).... the reason I'd do it the way I describe above vs just starting with extra plants is even my way they're usually more than 5" by the time you see sex. So if you just start with 10, at some point your liable to be breaking the law
 

WillieP

In Bloom
For sure man! So plants tend to show sex quicker when they are fully mature but you can still force them to show earlier. So if you veg until you start seeing alternating branching instead of symmetrical then flip you usually see pistils or sacs within a mateer of days. When I was only vegging a couple weeks or less they wouldn't show sex for closer to a month if I remember correctly. But they keep growing during that month so it's not like you lose a ton of time. Then I'd usually veg them for another 4-5 weeks to get the size I wanted at the time and then flip them back. Many growers do prefer waiting until they see sexual maturity in a plant before flipping it but hey, sometimes you have to work with what you got...

So in your shoes personally I'd probabky start my 5 plants and flip at 2 weeks of veg, then two weeks later I'd start at 3 or four more (because statistically just shy of 60% of cannabis plants are female, or so I've been told) to replace the inevitable males. Obviously sometimes you'll have really terrible luck and still get too many males but that should ensure more often than not you'll get 4-5 good females
Thanks for the run though, I appreciate you walking me though it.

I also slightly misread your post (finished off the Panama Goo!).... the reason I'd do it the way I describe above vs just starting with extra plants is even my way they're usually more than 5" by the time you see sex. So if you just start with 10, at some point your liable to be breaking the law
I think that's the problem I am going to run into.
I am trying my best to remain legal.

I have a veg tent and a flower tent, (both 5x5's), so I can move a plant to either lighting no trouble.

I would like to set up a perpetual grow.
Let's say I have 2 known female plants in flower. That leaves me 3 plants that can be over 5 inches tall.
At this point I can start 3 seeds and let them veg for 2-3 weeks and then move to the flower tent. They should show sex in 2-3 weeks.
If they show female I can move them back to the veg tent, males get the ax. Then I veg up the females to the size I want and then move them back to the flower tent.
So when ever I have a plant count of under my max of 5, I start seeds to fill out the max count. If there are males show up, they get axed and we start more seeds, and run the same vetting process. After the chop of fully mature plants, same thing, start more seeds.
The slipping them into the flower tent to force them to show sex would eliminate the situation that I currently find myself.

Just trying to talk my way through this...
Did that make sense?
Totally open for input...
WillieP

Edit:
BTW, I have 3 clones that have been taken from the plants in question.
They are only 6-8 inches tall at the moment, but fully rooted and doing well.
I can move them to the flower tent to be able to see how they react as a learning experience.
 
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